From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: collaborative editing Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:28:01 +0200 Message-ID: <20200607092801.GB15198@tuxteam.de> References: <874krvup4i.fsf@gnu.org> <835zcag76g.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftbenz0p.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo4k8r9s.fsf@gnu.org> <20200606101834.GC28645@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="66056"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 07 11:28:37 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrbZ-000H9S-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:28:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59040 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrbY-00078f-Tv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37202) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrb3-0006dy-Bq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:33544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhrb1-0004ks-RR; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 05:28:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=q0q3Fbr3R1OMg9zezD6NKoZoGZ5HlJ6BOtGPrSrCUNk=; b=hTDu3NzaHw/feooPhWfWpqNT+hCoJWoAZbuL7gWrWfR8sMjqLm/301723yLDCsfIju4Q16HLQi3XJoAHBMyI/+gOwTp7/CT4kGTRxjwAzHujGmQK5TZQJBG2m97d4DXmU3AyM6T2/o53is6Y9Io64HJEZ3vH9wQeESFq6w9t2l41c3mImm8w9/vzMvvH/oJyvokjTXG1PHga7mPLoW25n3kTQp/aXeWDjaL0yYz9w76DUuCP8hINnwE0iTcfd4mg7RQztDOR/ePwieDn7urr0rIBc+MjwMtJSce5IkVKGgTGK9lrnnOn+TO/NpIR/OhE4QeLXXqC0s4S+qzS09Eg7w==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jhraz-0004ba-60; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:28:01 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/07 05:28:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251998 Archived-At: --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 11:36:35PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: [...] > I've changed it to try to separate this question from others. Good idea, thanks! > I have not done shared editing over the network, but lots of people do > it -- in Etherpad and in Google Docs -- and it is clear that they > find it useful. How about if we take for granted it is useful > and skip the debate about that point? I didn't take the debate as being about /whether/ it is useful, but rather about /in which way/ it may be useful: from that angle, I think the debate itself is useful, as it may help to guide us shaping this feature. Myself, I'll give Rudel a try and look into the TLS point Stefan made, as a result of this debate. Cheers -- t --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl7csyEACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYwwwCfdCuZzLQc0Xb2pJCn7xLdyRqL FZkAnih1Vf7imBBtFgMm4UJ+vxT31S5m =ePRJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eJnRUKwClWJh1Khz--