From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 22:18:19 +0200 Message-ID: <20200606201819.GA18889@tuxteam.de> References: <874krvup4i.fsf@gnu.org> <835zcag76g.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftbenz0p.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo4k8r9s.fsf@gnu.org> <20200606095851.GB28645@tuxteam.de> <83v9k48pwn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="102720"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 06 22:19:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jhfHb-000Qgl-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 22:19:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36658 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhfHa-0000Gl-EI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 16:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47298) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhfGq-0008EM-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 16:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:60182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhfGo-00086u-85; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 16:18:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=HGWu7BZ41Sk2hbkRyvsveSbxK7gFOY4118w1yOOWopY=; b=M4W30UhjmaQNxxkjUFHLkWtZr05A70oiGyJEiLBAuJacNkwExIUkt3maAhm7O4rjDFgB+QeO81TSQuiM/38nXb/wEy28n8iaCA6/CZ8fS0OAE2jS/3pp90cavgvn5mIPA/cB//q1PdcXQTJ5TnN/uX8unSqISrX2owjCh53I7fKTBvyZ/eWLWWJHAwMHZH/gtAEEM6548251ZMwpoO4rgBO/yLWdD4cw5OUJjRzX+LZ9bHzhpUPOD6DhfJU/0xLvgO0vQcUCLj0yEBScg2hZyOFViQqg22+9R4+tdeEx3kae+9/6SQxWSVuTRM1scLO3JIrDRttkBeZAJg3FJDEDvA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jhfGl-0005N3-Cj; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 22:18:19 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83v9k48pwn.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/06 16:18:19 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251967 Archived-At: --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 01:11:36PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 11:58:51 +0200 > > From: [...] > > Think several people doodling simultaneously over a shared blackboard. >=20 > Someone will have to explain why this is useful [...] I think Stefan offered a better explanation than I did. My attempt had the flaw (not the only one, mind you) that I mixed in personal preferences, so it possibly turned out more sarcastic than intended. > > There was a thread a while ago in -help or -devel explaining why > > several emacs clients connected to a common server didn't quite > > fill that bill [...] > I don't think using emacsclient in its current implementation and the > infrastructure it uses will help us make any progress in this area. > The current keyboard "multiplexing" in Emacs doesn't really support > any concurrent input in any useful sense of that word. I wasn't seriously proposing to use that as a replacement for collab editing: my aim was rather to understand the issues and perhaps learn a bit more about collaborative editing itself. > That's why I think we need to start from the basics, and define the > features we'd need [...] Actually, having had the time to do some homework, I found: - Rudel: a collaborative editing environment for Emacs. It's even on Elpa and has a page on Emacswiki [1] It seems to be based on the Gobby protocol - there's someone (github [2], alas) implementing the Etherpad protocol for Emacs Embarrasment of riches, it seems ;-) Cheers [1] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Rudel [2] https://github.com/holtzermann17/linepad -- tom=C3=A1s --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl7b+gsACgkQBcgs9XrR2ka5ZgCdH2bfmtH6mAgGKBAeL2mr94ND JnwAnRckh7y+VDSx9fuEwAveG2551C83 =3q4t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv--