From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Ben McGinnes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 19:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <20200522190937.w5gq32lmzq4fmuv7@adversary.org> References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <70bb51fd-447d-928c-4d69-1c9673a44471@online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ce7jpaw33d3qth6k" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="57994"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Robert Pluim , colinetnathan98@gmail.com, andreas.roehler@online.de, arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 22 21:10:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jcD3w-000Ez2-DI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 21:10:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39630 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcD3v-0005DH-Ez for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 15:10:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcD3G-0004Md-4P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 15:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from xtrwkvxq.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net ([167.89.24.164]:12811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jcD3E-0005Et-Ss for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 15:09:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=adversary.org; h=from:subject:references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to:to:cc; s=s1; bh=0o7wQbc6o87aFgu8m5Yjy+BEzsV8rMEc5wm7ZMK/RkY=; b=kaHjNU9wstgU2+FiCAE3nNPaqfcLFDTafxLuu3dwhap50lEmEMLz42peiDee/xvl79pb 440cmcjD0umU9DkbcIAhGbm0SLBO69b06VXAjqXRE0DLFTDp2I+RtRCi77G4wuSRp/wH3b MzxKmZS2XZdB14vE3nROVGYUDLM6SoUwE= Original-Received: by filterdrecv-p3iad2-8ddf98858-xxtk7 with SMTP id filterdrecv-p3iad2-8ddf98858-xxtk7-19-5EC82379-1C1 2020-05-22 19:09:45.990825311 +0000 UTC m=+4989735.862927491 Original-Received: from adversary.org (unknown) by ismtpd0002p1maa1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id DwXugWtUTKOcMR8GOt9pNA Fri, 22 May 2020 19:09:44.321 +0000 (UTC) OpenPGP: "id=DB4724E6FA4286C92B4E55C4321E4E2373590E5D; url=http://files.de.adversary.org/crypto/ben-key.asc; preference=signencrypt" Codes-of-Conduct-policy: "url=https://gitlab.com/Hasimir/project-participation-policy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-SG-EID: =?us-ascii?Q?M7XSpjS22pFeWms=2F9N=2FJSaMWinPNp56cHj3hYxizKL6T5hc=2FZqhJNSQiYFgtsM?= =?us-ascii?Q?TaPNM+I90CCgbQTZRYCodJHetoyHLe36neLbdZJ?= =?us-ascii?Q?JnMyydrxt9Zd1xRYfypIlK8YqCHSODSV03KpZKU?= =?us-ascii?Q?Pc541BHP6C4NnVC5h8YvmQHvSPCEk5yFrlrbTpV?= =?us-ascii?Q?EyHahtGUZF0B6GfMT8na1qCYg6CNJhpACFpo98w?= =?us-ascii?Q?eqTnlutOqrJ3NcY3EjmrSTmaozxs8Nj0CLCX3+?= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=167.89.24.164; envelope-from=bounces+15940057-00a8-emacs-devel=gnu.org@em8820.adversary.org; helo=xtrwkvxq.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/22 15:09:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -7 X-Spam_score: -0.8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.347, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251240 Archived-At: --ce7jpaw33d3qth6k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:25:31PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 > I would like Emacs to have the features of LibreOffice -- at least > for word processing and slides. That's ambitious ... Would you intend that to produce existing open standard formats (i.e. mainly OpenDocument Format files, but someone will inevitably include DOCX and PPTX out of necessity)? > It would take years to get there, but I hope to see it during my > lifetime. Perhaps. It depends on how much your vision actually requires native support and how much can be done by utilising existing technology which GNU Emacs already understands to produce that end result. Both of those open formats[1] are based on XML. So there's already plenty of avenues for generating those more complicated formats from something more readily edited by Emacs now. OTOH, there are reasons I almost never use Emacs to write fiction and, though I do use it in some aspects of preparing or making minor edits of the pre-publication source files (which are in another XML format), it's not really the primary tool there either. Still, my use case is fairly niche because most word processor users (and *all* slide presentation users) don't need to care about traditional publishing standards. So, edge cases like mine aside, you can probably do a lot of what you want now. Though I suspect the org-mode project is in a better position to make that a reality right now. Regards, Ben 1. Including MS's formats out of practicality; let's skip the quirks of their license since people on this list either are, or should already be, aware of all that. --ce7jpaw33d3qth6k Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABEKAB0WIQSkiyjzmoPmPFW48w5Icjp1eQQexgUCXsgjcQAKCRBIcjp1eQQe xnKMAQDuAu2ZKJWtE8bCmBLPdqRyCwUM25VnJ/sGh1EEXXvqAAEA9EQdWVwFJwAb i2snAusFu4uN6MXNhRo7f1LDlc73Iio= =6KJb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ce7jpaw33d3qth6k--