From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:55:51 +0200 Message-ID: <20200519075551.GE7874@tuxteam.de> References: <3c558381-f584-a2e5-972e-007221347f16@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="9405"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 19 09:56:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jax7D-0002MP-98 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 09:56:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38812 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jax7C-0001yw-Bp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 03:56:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48800) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jax6R-00011x-J2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 03:55:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:33575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jax6P-0008Oh-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 03:55:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=1bp72Vj6JjkbhA9PwMeqSsOy9JytzpSYmDeoBXiwMhQ=; b=uaQTY//r7xK7Aoba6J0iajD25H77w61HSAwJcmIOuPy3+W0q17VqiDRDeteHpS0KqE8Z2Gq8au+JbEu6MeWag+oRbNoQLvrySGxUHh45kBND55c9WIaUJF3zVyFh1OdzjMDXvfjQ99RsHFfQR5R2KU/iMcA0xp96bZ8ZGunVkhUxXjyzB/8tmdhhQJPMBAoyFX5VgELxAkAb1TaG6P7Zc8z4mGkIM2fkqhnuTBkKfdD9FS8EV1fZ6tmeKzxWEsWmB+KJoyJhjWfZZibBiPCThnEahfYymXOI0DVyuhdNGg3iKFBeRuIwZV/erjT+oEqpLqN5NOlGpy1g08oybHCbuQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jax6O-0002bh-0U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 09:55:52 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/19 03:22:51 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250889 Archived-At: --Yb+qhiCg54lqZFXW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 07:26:10AM +0200, Philippe Vaucher wrote: > > (and I do note you'd still have to go through the horrors of finding a > > pen and paper in your office and manually using your arms to hold > > it up to the webcam) >=20 > Please, I said 3 times already that YOU JUST TYPE YOUR NAME ON YOUR > KEYBOARD, or attach an image. Yes, that's how I did in in Adobe Sign > (just typed "Philippe Vaucher" on my keyboard). The only thing it did > is the name was displayed using a hand-written font. Surely this > cannot be complicated to duplicate. I already said all this. But anyone can type your name on her keyboard. I can type it. Am I now signing something for you? Is it valid before court? That's the "interesting" problem. Yelling doesn't solve it :) Now you'd say that I could forge your signature on paper and send it in, but traditional trust into something like that is a tad higher, and I see two reasons for that: (a) it is more difficult to get hold of a physical signature of yours to do the forging, and (b) there is significantly more expertise in place to detect forged signatures. Now PGP/GPG might be a technically perfect solution to the problem, but effective deployment has been hindered, not last by entities hoping to make quick cash of that and seeing a free solution threatening their pie-in-the-sky business plans. The situation is what it is, alas. > Sorry for yelling but maybe with caps it's more clear. Nevermind, but I think you're still missing the point: at the moment the FSF ends before court over some copyright spat (and there have been high-profile ones, they can be hellishly expensive, see [1] if you think you've got some time to kill), at this moment the FSF will have to prove that it has done its due diligence... and no, Someone (TM) at the other end of an HTTPS connection saying "yeah, sure, it's me" probably won't cut it. Solutions [2] welcome. Especially if they aren't spiked all over with Surveillance Capitalism :-) Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group%2C_Inc._v._International_Busine= ss_Machines_Corp. [2] Sometimes I dream of decentralized FSF "delegates", one in each small village, who can sign someone's public GPG key. Then I wake up and realize that I'm re-inventing the web of trust, and I hear "PGP? But that's really hard", and keep wondering where that sick meme comes from. 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