From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Write a new package" culture instead of patches? Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 23:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20200517211403.GA57036@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <4e937898-ae46-710a-cbca-e452a1156fa1@yandex.ru> <405FCFAB-30E4-4F98-81DA-3B09933E86D0@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="89372"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , pcr910303@icloud.com, Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 23:16:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQeE-000NBO-34 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 23:16:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47724 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQeD-0004Dz-4l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:16:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQc0-0003Tq-QL for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:14:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com ([212.3.242.97]:37140) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQby-0003pa-2F; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:14:19 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth1.co-bxl (smtpauth1.co-bxl [10.2.0.15]) by mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170CF18BB; Sun, 17 May 2020 23:14:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1589750050; s=20200222-6h9o; d=idiocy.org; i=alan@idiocy.org; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To; l=518; bh=gHPkAZrnJUcQ64TZp3367wr6G1r8yZmTqtDbZjzt4WM=; b=om520LgcUCYAQbdryofSTwv5xIDKDMaZVCq5ono8UClnau3DTa5tGUA32ZrzVGcn dfdnH9MwcDgH/eagJXn29BiYA+Vjb/yz7OpmRRq0EGsiYnVzJC6ok/lfpT3knVEXtCO DhwCWRGu0cJAhPFPrPhxhvOTxfe5rDmXhDYLoVAM43+qaw+E4s6kZ3l5WbSqF9pzLto s1tDuj8/yuwAy23Ih6SSvWjvC5v2qTlTVHbIoIWStJ4m+iLOhP2nz9L9nRfwqIlYd0V 2acDqFGF/+mGvXBKpOFPNDGwY8tEpGjyf44wb0ZgLFcfPCmks66y/XJA8kDHQEUaSqs D1JnMA5Sag== Original-Received: by smtp.mailfence.com with ESMTPA ; Sun, 17 May 2020 23:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by breton.holly.idiocy.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id CB7E52022D96BF; Sun, 17 May 2020 22:14:03 +0100 (BST) Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Stefan Kangas , Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , joostkremers@fastmail.fm, ams@gnu.org, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ContactOffice-Account: com:241649512 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.3.242.97; envelope-from=alan@idiocy.org; helo=mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/17 17:14:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250665 Archived-At: On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 11:52:18AM -0700, Stefan Kangas wrote: > > Has anyone else thought about this? Is it correct to say that such a > "package first" culture has developed? If yes, why has it developed, > and is there anything we could do about it? I wonder if it's related to the way that a couple of years ago many of the discussions on the Emacs reddit seemed to revolve around why the Emacs maintainers hadn't yet fixed someone's pet bug, but nobody ever thought to report it to us. -- Alan Third