From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:07:01 +0200 Message-ID: <20200511100701.GA12769@tuxteam.de> References: <87d07cwtb1.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87ftc67sae.fsf@fastmail.fm> <20200511092741.GA2743@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="20597"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Emacs developers To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 12:07:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jY5LY-0005Hd-4i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:07:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46272 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jY5LX-0006sb-5B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:07:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jY5Kz-0006Fv-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:07:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:38199) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jY5Kx-0007FN-KI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 06:07:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=feK12L4vZe0qoLs1hmyB9YXKkNuX1U8dp7g2QjBxVvA=; b=nu7S/gAdgoKNA9mlWO5TRd2KIJ/veai05AwWP/nLwhppe95SxEHwjzIn49lVIa0F9rn1BjsEjhYkOwns/VASISokphHAiubRZmZ4ubFMa4cDMoVWYe+S5hpdftSE7+C7tl7cfSkAudEplZM1iu9Dql89rA+wX0DAiTO4B1ptTpg3hy79yDv/ld2fWuM6kBfoInJurKvW+1eTSzfkOTpSSron2k5o7F00unF8rP7ooKLP1hW+HSCXyWUFs2j3Cv1YPAm6UBKJtV1ObxsA4/0d2/eUsLM3jIJEtsJrK7EHTxH1FtmHx971DKdm1+kf4TbOstXa+Hm3FizHHEPBoFwDrg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jY5Kv-0003OO-AZ; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:07:01 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/11 05:27:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249772 Archived-At: --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:46:52AM +0200, Philippe Vaucher wrote: > > In *your* frame of reference, perhaps. Not in mine, by a far shot. > > And I think /that/ is one of the shortcomings of this discussion. > > > > As long as we don't accept all that there are different approaches > > and give up on the "mine's better (or 'more modern' or 'more Lispy' > > or whatnot) than yours" the discussion is bound to go in circles > > (at best) or to hurt feelings (at worst). >=20 > For the record I think I've reach that point since a while now. That's my feeling, too, and I'm very thankful to you for that. I just follow this thread and try to point out those little "linguistic antipatterns" I spot. Based on my past experience, those can be very detrimental to otherwise strong communities without any bad intentions. BTW, I know this can happen to me, too: thus I'm happy whenever someone tells me. > I'll happily continue to explain my way of thinking but I'm not > pushing anymore for mass aliases/renames, this is a dead end. Yes, and thanks for this. That's definitely the more exciting way :-) Cheers -- t --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl65I8UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYGLQCfUlObHrQWIcL3R2IHknT6m4zV +CMAnjT8rlYYTWSDvCouJVPxEJVC60/6 =3Qyf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6--