From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Alan Third Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 14:28:08 +0100 Message-ID: <20200509132808.GA42734@breton.holly.idiocy.org> References: <78MWNW3AMrdcuobWz5HUv_03eXHd_phmW_WI1FPDdF654vYB7PMs5hfkTzArXOZuIH0B-c2vXH9ny70NaA83aDaB8A47vfDkaI3imYzrXsI=@protonmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="118887"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers , ndame To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 15:29:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPYE-000Uou-HM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 15:29:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43240 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPYD-0005Bu-3k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:29:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48304) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPXU-0004PX-D0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:29:12 -0400 Original-Received: from idiocy.org ([217.169.17.33]:50163 helo=breton.holly.idiocy.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXPXT-00061U-F9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:29:12 -0400 Original-Received: by breton.holly.idiocy.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 89B402022AAD50; Sat, 9 May 2020 14:28:08 +0100 (BST) Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Stefan Kangas , ndame , Emacs developers Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.169.17.33; envelope-from=alan@breton.holly.idiocy.org; helo=breton.holly.idiocy.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/09 09:28:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Mac OS X [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249426 Archived-At: On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 07:32:02AM -0400, Stefan Kangas wrote: > > IMHO, we should not promote third-party "init files" as a primary > option, but rather improve Emacs itself. Maybe we should embrace them, and provide tools to build custom Emacs distributions. Put absolutely everything that isn’t absolutely required for Emacs into ELPA so there’s a core Emacs that is as basic as it gets, then, I don’t know, use manifest files to build a distribution that pulls in the stuff we need from ELPA or wherever else. We could provide our own ‘UNIX Neckbeards’ distribution, which is simply Emacs as we know it now. ;) Other, motivated, people could then do the heavy lifting of developing and supporting so called modern distributions. We sort of have this already with Aquamacs. -- Alan Third