From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Add some aliases for re-related functions Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 19:29:08 +0000 Message-ID: <20200502192908.GD6832@ACM> References: <7976B8C1-AFC7-4662-B750-6492EB70C0D5@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="113191"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 21:29:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxpe-000TNG-Nu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 21:29:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39024 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxpd-0002iI-Pd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 15:29:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxp5-00021Z-1s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 15:29:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxp3-00082a-V3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 15:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:37299 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUxp3-00082T-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 15:29:13 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 65525 invoked by uid 3782); 2 May 2020 19:29:10 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p2E5D51F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [46.93.81.244]) by localhost.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 02 May 2020 21:29:09 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 27239 invoked by uid 1000); 2 May 2020 19:29:08 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7976B8C1-AFC7-4662-B750-6492EB70C0D5@gmail.com> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.1; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/02 15:29:11 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = FreeBSD 9.x or newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248551 Archived-At: Hello, Yuan. On Sat, May 02, 2020 at 14:28:08 -0400, Yuan Fu wrote: > While debating whether it’s effective to add prefixes to increase > discoverability, lets start with incremental and uncontroversial > changes. Ha! No chance! ;-( I don't believe these proposed changes will increase discoverability to any important extent. More importantly, they will decrease the usability of these functions, as they will be more of a hassle to type in and (more importantly) make the functions they are in more difficult to read. > Let’s start from re-related functions since it seems that many people > agree on this. Here is a list of functions that I think could benefit > from an alias. > replace-regexp-in-string re-replace-in-string > replace-match re-replace-match > string-match re-search-in-string > string-match-p re-match-in-string-p > match-string re-matched-string > match-string-no-properties re-matched-string-no-properties > match-beginning re-match-beginning > match-end re-match-end > looking-at re-match-after-point > looking-back re-match-before-point > looking-at-p re-match-after-point-p > posix-search-forward re-posix-search-forward > posix-search-backward re-posix-search-backward > posix-looking-at re-posix-looking-at > posix-search-in-string re-posix-search-in-string > Let’s do it like this: if you don’t like adding alias to a certain > function (strongly), call it out and we will remove it from the list > for now. I strongly object to those aliases which make the function name longer. I particularly object to `re-match-after-point' for `looking-at'. Not only is it much longer, it lacks the instant readibility of looking-at, and the slightly humorous notion of "looking", as though with ones eyes. I particularly object to `re-matched-string', which has double the number of syllables in it as the original. As a small point, you've erased the commonality between match-beginning/end and match-string. This is a bad thing. > Then we should have a small list that everybody agrees upon (or at > least no one absolutely hates). I hate your list. ;-) (Nothing personal in that.) > And please do not drift the topic away in this thread, which hinders > the original purpose of the thread. Let’s focus on these functions and > only these functions. As long as people do not take for granted that introducing lots of aliases is a good thing. I believe it is not. > Yuan -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).