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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Add some aliases for re-related functions
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 19:29:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200502192908.GD6832@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7976B8C1-AFC7-4662-B750-6492EB70C0D5@gmail.com>

Hello, Yuan.

On Sat, May 02, 2020 at 14:28:08 -0400, Yuan Fu wrote:
> While debating whether it’s effective to add prefixes to increase
> discoverability, lets start with incremental and uncontroversial
> changes.

Ha!  No chance!  ;-(

I don't believe these proposed changes will increase discoverability to
any important extent.  More importantly, they will decrease the
usability of these functions, as they will be more of a hassle to type
in and (more importantly) make the functions they are in more difficult
to read.

> Let’s start from re-related functions since it seems that many people
> agree on this. Here is a list of functions that I think could benefit
> from an alias. 

> replace-regexp-in-string	re-replace-in-string
> replace-match			re-replace-match
> string-match			re-search-in-string
> string-match-p			re-match-in-string-p
> match-string			re-matched-string
> match-string-no-properties	re-matched-string-no-properties
> match-beginning			re-match-beginning
> match-end			re-match-end

> looking-at			re-match-after-point
> looking-back			re-match-before-point
> looking-at-p			re-match-after-point-p
> posix-search-forward		re-posix-search-forward
> posix-search-backward		re-posix-search-backward
> posix-looking-at		re-posix-looking-at
> posix-search-in-string		re-posix-search-in-string

> Let’s do it like this: if you don’t like adding alias to a certain
> function (strongly), call it out and we will remove it from the list
> for now.

I strongly object to those aliases which make the function name longer.
I particularly object to `re-match-after-point' for `looking-at'.  Not
only is it much longer, it lacks the instant readibility of looking-at,
and the slightly humorous notion of "looking", as though with ones eyes.
I particularly object to `re-matched-string', which has double the
number of syllables in it as the original.

As a small point, you've erased the commonality between
match-beginning/end and match-string.  This is a bad thing.

> Then we should have a small list that everybody agrees upon (or at
> least no one absolutely hates). 

I hate your list.  ;-)  (Nothing personal in that.)

> And please do not drift the topic away in this thread, which hinders
> the original purpose of the thread. Let’s focus on these functions and
> only these functions.

As long as people do not take for granted that introducing lots of
aliases is a good thing.  I believe it is not.

> Yuan

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-02 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-02 18:28 Add some aliases for re-related functions Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:43   ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 21:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:27     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  8:33       ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-03 19:07         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2020-05-02 19:48   ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:10   ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 20:13     ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:16       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04  3:09         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 14:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:12             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:42                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 17:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:53                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:09     ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-02 21:51       ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03  9:43         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 15:00           ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 22:41       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:14         ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-04 10:07       ` João Távora
2020-05-03 14:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:20       ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-03 16:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 21:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:10   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 22:18     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-05-02 22:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 23:13       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04  0:29           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04  3:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 22:44   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  3:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03  4:37       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  8:05         ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03  9:55           ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-05-03 10:26             ` tomas
2020-05-03 15:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 19:47           ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04  7:32             ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04  8:20               ` Sending plaintext with Gmail (was: Add some aliases for re-related functions) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04  8:45                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 15:09                 ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:25                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:29                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05  8:13                       ` HTML display in Gnus (was: Sending plaintext with Gmail) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-05  8:24                         ` HTML display in Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05  9:26                           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-17 17:14                           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 15:39                     ` Sending plaintext with Gmail Andreas Schwab
2020-05-04 16:51               ` Add some aliases for re-related functions Drew Adams
2020-05-04 17:10               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 18:17                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-04 18:33                   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-05  2:48             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04  3:08         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 10:16       ` João Távora
2020-05-04  3:04 ` Richard Stallman

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