From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:41:23 +0200 Message-ID: <20200430184123.GA16852@tuxteam.de> References: <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429172739.GB4002@ACM> <20200430115108.GA4287@ACM> <20200430123855.GA1444@tuxteam.de> <96086e63-a36f-d038-7fab-149f0d4ef761@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="58256"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Emacs developers To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 30 20:52:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUEI0-000F3T-S9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:52:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUEHz-0002XX-SE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:52:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40008) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUE7k-0001Ez-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUE7j-0000XU-9Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:34381) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUE7i-0000Rc-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:41:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=kxgB9KC410olNObNDjAoauXVJUpQFip2c/iPy2HSV8U=; b=oC/JO/P+mtkYX6rx9pFnmr9rzYQ1cxBuAKkzs0QWwhCbhmXaWcFq0Sqnv8yv08r/EGn+6mTXN8B5VWWVRalIHjyKUEEsZfir5s9zd9qFBSbeZ6hIIF/GxqhJc5Ip74skleZP92bB5aAhBBkimxR3CC6wFkxsuwcQq14knulEw44mX4ofHwEhBVcQzPfUq6AiG5ln6yAO+6iBZIvsxPbF8qS2C2YGPxIMkEXhcK8kZHPju8Ef3DKp9OA9khsU3xRjZIUL08wz04ftu8E6QZjbN96SaY5Yo9PcyqDT6LIm01myadkC2fws89OR2dxByKUcSwnypx+Mhob5zRLcSM+isg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jUE7f-0004YV-9F; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:41:23 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <96086e63-a36f-d038-7fab-149f0d4ef761@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/30 14:41:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248262 Archived-At: --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 08:30:43PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 30.04.2020 15:38, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > >And when people react ("hell, no!"), you're offended and drive deeper > >in your denial of the "other side's" points. >=20 > When offended people overreact and make up strawmen, that's when the > discussion is derailed. >=20 > It's very hard to move forward (at all) if nobody creates proposals > on "how we should be doing things better", or if they are actively > shunned. And it's on us, as a community, to be able to discuss them > constructively, on the merits. It's "on us" as it is "on everyone", I think :-) > FWIW, my position is we don't need to change everything, especially > not the low-level functions (car and aref are fine; seq.el and > map.el provide good generic replacements), but the problem is real. > And "you can use the index in the manual" is not a good replacement > for consistent naming conventions. I think there is general agreement on that around here. Cheers -- tom=C3=A1s --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl6rG9MACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaurgCdHKDOMQhVHmhfImqWDTtuBjtP SC8An1kmU/KkuwDuUA8ThsazLnKuT5nl =+Ry0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N--