On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 08:30:43PM +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> On 30.04.2020 15:38, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >And when people react ("hell, no!"), you're offended and drive deeper
> >in your denial of the "other side's" points.
> 
> When offended people overreact and make up strawmen, that's when the
> discussion is derailed.
> 
> It's very hard to move forward (at all) if nobody creates proposals
> on "how we should be doing things better", or if they are actively
> shunned. And it's on us, as a community, to be able to discuss them
> constructively, on the merits.

It's "on us" as it is "on everyone", I think :-)

> FWIW, my position is we don't need to change everything, especially
> not the low-level functions (car and aref are fine; seq.el and
> map.el provide good generic replacements), but the problem is real.
> And "you can use the index in the manual" is not a good replacement
> for consistent naming conventions.

I think there is general agreement on that around here.

Cheers
-- tomás