From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:42:46 +0200 Message-ID: <20200429134246.GA14632@tuxteam.de> References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="41599"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 29 15:43:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn0F-000AiG-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:43:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37420 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTn0E-0008G9-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:43:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTmzD-0007ZN-8R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTmzC-0007QF-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:58958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTmzB-0007Q6-Ia for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:42:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=u5gFMYtIdEwssCcJX928dGrsdrhIT7yTXfFa0UIZDNk=; b=QzMQM+SllFLr5CEEFCwlqRnfvwQcC2YfZaejbaydwXlquycrcHBiwavw1eT/r7Kt8FhT2/9HwAyfE/hq8NPcDG0grYWR773RNRdnFfEOTS2HdKFfYG+HoBTPi3hyHR5yShR3MPZAnPe8qrnZa7kB8WAM3ddjVVGISnChYn8jgyIzqtp0CpuDQ+MKZWYJ4j7riW7aywXt3Wrpp39JScZf1+wDCth3mFKLSO4zNZz8GH+xHyBrTm3t9tf/JCRfqTEsO6JUGn4+NIEBMfle3FUJDS8OvbGu9g9d+iSZOG8kxoWbyP+8cBc5QRk1dxNPgUjGA8j4hm8l2ytRXpN88JijIw==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1jTmz8-00041M-VJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:42:46 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/29 09:42:47 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248131 Archived-At: --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 03:12:50PM +0200, Philippe Vaucher wrote: > > > > > * > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Association-L= ists.html > > sometimes assoc, > > > alist-get, assq, copy-alist. How am I supposed to use `C-h f alist T= AB` > > to discover the function I want? I > > > can't, I have to go to that webpage and read it all. > > > > I think "C-h d alist RET" is your friend. > > >=20 > You miss the central point of my argument. The problem is not that the doc > is hard to find, it's that I *have* to find it to know which are the > related functions. True. > It is much easier for the mind to think in terms of namespaces, here are > examples from other languages: What do you propose? I think "rename everything" doesn't look like a viable option? [...] > Again you strawman my argument. Try to understand my central point, and > then reply to that instead of details of "how you do it right now and that > works for you". This is not very constructive. Entering a culture and saying "hey, now you do everything this way" most probably won't lead to progress, I fear. I get your points, but now: what could be a way forward? Cheers -- t --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAl6phFYACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZczACff1AtPTsMTrSXNN7X2U0UrBy+ WKYAni8P8XBslAaDLswTwu6r+H1duzBN =hQm7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/--