From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:43:18 +0000 Message-ID: <20191125204318.GE4496@ACM> References: <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org> <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> <20191122020855.GA4085@ACM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="190350"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 25 21:44:32 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iZLDj-000nLk-Po for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:44:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47998 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZLDh-0005th-Sm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:44:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53667) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iZLCd-0005tE-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:43:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZLCc-0002rL-Ck for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:41587 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iZLCc-0002qf-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:43:22 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 76783 invoked by uid 3782); 25 Nov 2019 20:43:21 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FE15ACF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.90.207]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:43:18 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 1559 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Nov 2019 20:43:18 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242718 Archived-At: Hello, John. Sorry for the delay in responding. I've had a very busy weekend. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 21:30:55 -0700, John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> "AM" == Alan Mackenzie writes: > AM> I don't see what the above paragraph has to do with my sentence that you > AM> quoted. I purposely didn't include Apple in my "companies like that". As > AM> you note, Apple has other flaws. You seem to be denigrating what I said by > AM> a straw man argument. > I misread you then, Alan, my apologies. No problem! > I actively avoid using Google software as well, because they install > software without my consent that "phones home", so perhaps I'm more > aligned with your sentiments than I had realized. Yes. I don't use Google things either, and NoScript blocks out any of their scripts used by third parties (of which there are a shocking number). "Phoning Home" from an EU state without the user's consent has been unlawful for a year and a half now, at least. It's a pity there has been no firm enforcement procedings as yet. Maybe they will come. > -- > John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F > http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).