From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20191123214542.4072cedb@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <481a1f16-d661-0f96-2f45-3d5ec9c1132e@yandex.ru> <749d3c85-ecd0-5d4e-b9fc-6405c2ca2334@yandex.ru> <87d0djng45.fsf@gmx.de> <878so6o9yd.fsf@gmx.de> <10d674cb-c4f1-67c0-9ade-fcbeec119319@yandex.ru> <4ec3c33f-0fec-4322-b4fc-609833ccb20a@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="87082"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Michael Albinus , Dmitry Gutov , larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 03:45:53 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYhuL-000MYV-Gt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 03:45:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33592 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYhuJ-00089C-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYhuD-000896-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYhuC-0001cF-CE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:45 -0500 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400]:60824) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYhuC-0001bw-8f; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:44 -0500 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD989F; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:42 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60FF2DEA72; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:45:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <4ec3c33f-0fec-4322-b4fc-609833ccb20a@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242673 Archived-At: On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:57:25 -0800 (PST) Drew Adams wrote: > > The question was why a lot of users shy away > > from reporting bugs to us. > > That's an assumption at this point, no? What > evidence has been presented, besides anecdotal? Only anecdotal evidence is possible, so I don't see that as avoidable. I will say this: my anecdotal evidence matches that of others here. In theory, the current bug reporting system is fine. In practice, it conflicts with the way modern users are used to doing things and with the configuration of modern single user systems. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com