From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:59:27 +0000 Message-ID: <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> References: <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="110935"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rms@gnu.org, perry@piermont.com, michael.albinus@gmx.de, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 19:00:22 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXqke-000SbD-Rf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:00:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43324 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXqkd-0005KO-7G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:00:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44119) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXqjt-0005Jp-TL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:59:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iXqjs-00063D-Na for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:59:33 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:16329 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iXqjs-00061i-Dq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:59:32 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 94895 invoked by uid 3782); 21 Nov 2019 17:59:31 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FE1579D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.87.157]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:59:27 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 4841 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Nov 2019 17:59:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242584 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 16:14:10 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Richard Stallman > > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:06:46 -0500 > > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de, > > perry@piermont.com > > Sure, all else being equal we would prefer to offer more > > convenient interfaces. But is that such an imperative > > that we would want to pay a price for it? I am skeptical. > I think the idea is that most people nowadays have some kind of > account already -- either in gmail, or in facebook, or in one of the > other services that GitLab is capable of using instead of a GitLab > specific registration. Please reconsider. I don't think the GNU project should in any way endorse companies like Facebook or Google or Microsoft, which are no friends of free software (except their use of free (as in beer) software). Their way of making money is by immorally, surreptitiously, and in many cases illegally collecting their users' personal data and selling it on. > So for those people who have one of these accounts, registration is > not an issue, and there's no real price to pay. There would be a heavy price for the GNU project, namely its credibility. Not even if it makes authentication easier for some users. It is a line we just shouldn't cross. Personally, I think requiring any sort of registration to report a bug is so inconsiderate that we just shouldn't do it. Reporting a bug takes a significant amount of effort as it is, and requiring people who do it to register is like a slap on the face. [ .... ] -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).