From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rms@gnu.org, perry@piermont.com,
michael.albinus@gmx.de, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.")
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:59:27 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org>
Hello, Eli.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 16:14:10 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 22:06:46 -0500
> > Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de,
> > perry@piermont.com
> > Sure, all else being equal we would prefer to offer more
> > convenient interfaces. But is that such an imperative
> > that we would want to pay a price for it? I am skeptical.
> I think the idea is that most people nowadays have some kind of
> account already -- either in gmail, or in facebook, or in one of the
> other services that GitLab is capable of using instead of a GitLab
> specific registration.
Please reconsider. I don't think the GNU project should in any way
endorse companies like Facebook or Google or Microsoft, which are no
friends of free software (except their use of free (as in beer)
software). Their way of making money is by immorally, surreptitiously,
and in many cases illegally collecting their users' personal data and
selling it on.
> So for those people who have one of these accounts, registration is
> not an issue, and there's no real price to pay.
There would be a heavy price for the GNU project, namely its
credibility.
Not even if it makes authentication easier for some users. It is a line
we just shouldn't cross.
Personally, I think requiring any sort of registration to report a bug
is so inconsiderate that we just shouldn't do it. Reporting a bug takes
a significant amount of effort as it is, and requiring people who do it
to register is like a slap on the face.
[ .... ]
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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2019-11-17 11:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-11-17 17:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 17:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-11-17 18:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-11-17 18:27 ` Andreas Schwab
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2019-11-17 18:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-19 11:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-01 1:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
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2020-01-02 2:35 ` Michael Heerdegen
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2020-01-22 12:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-11-17 21:33 ` João Távora
2019-11-17 22:05 ` dick.r.chiang
2019-11-17 22:19 ` Amin Bandali
2019-11-17 22:56 ` João Távora
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2019-11-18 8:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-11-17 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-17 19:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-11-17 19:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-11-17 20:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-11-17 20:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2019-11-18 11:36 ` João Távora
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2019-11-18 12:21 ` João Távora
2019-11-18 11:58 ` Michael Albinus
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2019-11-17 20:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 3:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 14:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-11-19 8:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 1:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-11-19 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-20 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 20:12 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-21 15:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:09 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 15:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:30 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 19:16 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:10 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-11-22 8:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-11-22 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-22 10:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-19 6:08 ` Richard Stallman
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2019-11-18 16:22 ` Perry E. Metzger
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2019-11-18 22:23 ` Perry E. Metzger
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2019-11-18 18:17 ` João Távora
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2019-11-19 7:41 ` Michael Albinus
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2019-11-18 19:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 22:56 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Perry E. Metzger
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2019-11-21 12:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-23 16:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-20 23:53 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-20 16:19 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Richard Stallman
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