From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:39 -0500 Message-ID: <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="84159"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "John Wiegley" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 18 23:56:51 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWpwv-000Lja-8Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:56:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40318 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWpwt-0005UT-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48624) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWpwo-0005UK-1D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWpwm-00038e-So for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:41 -0500 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400]:38322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWpwm-00038V-PE; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:40 -0500 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F1C38; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:40 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACB52DE9C4; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:40 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242403 Archived-At: Speaking more generally than just Debbugs... On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:59:24 -0700 "John Wiegley" wrote: > Like it or not, [the Emacs developers] get the priority right > now. Being nice to new users is great, but until they become > contributors and ease our workload, serving them can't be the > priority. Unfortunately, there's a potential negative cycle here. A certain percentage of users of free software become developers. If we start starving ourselves of users of Emacs, we end up becoming starved of developers for Emacs, too. I think the goal of the Emacs project should be to produce the best possible editing/text processing experience for hackers, period. (Well, best possible consistent with it remaining free software, but that goal should be implicit in everything we do in the free software movement.) Part of that requires that Emacs "modernize"; not in the sense of abandoning its essential Emacsness, but in the sense of making it ever easier to write extension code, do your productivity workflows inside Emacs, write software with Emacs, etc. (But I've talked about that topic better in the two talks I've given about Emacs in recent years...) Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com