From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:22:39 -0500 Message-ID: <20191118112239.575472f8@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <83sgmm4a08.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="14291"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 18 17:23:41 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjoT-0003dX-13 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:23:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36506 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjoR-0006x7-NQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:23:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46763) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjna-0006vh-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:22:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjnY-0008Av-HM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:49732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWjnX-00089y-0y; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:22:43 -0500 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298AF38; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:22:40 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087C22DE32F; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:22:40 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83sgmm4a08.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242383 Archived-At: On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:45:43 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Debbugs is a non-starter for any project that expects interaction > > with its user base. > > A bug tracker should first and foremost help those who work on > triaging and fixing bugs. I have experience with 3 other issue > tracking systems, and none of them is significantly better in this > aspect; some are worse. I also work with several bug tracking systems. Let me register my personal displeasure with debbugs. I think it's primitive, difficult for occasional users, and lacking in features for sophisticated users. I recognize that there's a long discussion going on about this and I don't have that much to add that others haven't, but I thought it would be useful to note that there's yet another person who doesn't love debbugs. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com