From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: include list of contributors on GNU Emacs website Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:11:56 +0530 Message-ID: <20191028104156.GZ9125@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20191028072938.GR9125@protected.rcdrun.com> <1ECDF872-9E1C-4365-A210-C413246D1454@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="265841"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 28 11:42:15 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iP2TV-001738-Lt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:42:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52446 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iP2TU-0002cm-Ec for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:42:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40660) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iP2TM-0002Up-Dk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iP2TK-0006HA-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:42:04 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:48659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iP2TI-0006Cr-Q1; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:42:00 -0400 Original-Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:31.223.149.6]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1) by stw1.rcdrun.com with UTF8ESMTPSA id 0000000000077C65.000000005DB6C5F6.00007C15; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 03:41:58 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000CC577.000000005DB6C5F4.00001533; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:41:56 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by courier 1.0.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.170.207.13 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241550 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2019-10-28 15:54]: > On October 28, 2019 11:12:08 AM GMT+02:00, Jean Louis wrote: > > That sure. And that is not the website. > >=20 > > Emacs is not a product of a company that tries to hide authors. > >=20 > > Website is not git and not Emacs package with file AUTHORS. Website i= s > > presentation to the world including those people who do not use Emacs= . > >=20 > > Including those who write about Emacs while not using it. It is main > > source of information about Emacs. > >=20 > > Crediting people on the website shall be prominent. > >=20 > > It is not for me. I can see contributors in the git. >=20 >=20 > I don't think there's any argument about the general usefulness of > having this information there. I am sorry, I was under impression that giving credit to authors is so common. Now I see you see no argument about general usefulness. Website's usefulness is information. Not only distribution of software. Whole website is written to promote GNU Emacs, it is beautiful, d shows its features, video episodes, and similar. Thus one of features is that 1800+ people contributed to GNU Emacs. That is important feature. Giving proper attribution on a website is useful and beneficial, it is "thank you" to authors. That AUTHORS file is located in etc/AUTHORIS is fine and good. > Do you have a practical proposal for how to include this information > on the site? There can be page like "Authors" or "History" where it can be written what is GNU Emacs, how it started and list of people who contributed. You have git, there must be some script that can quickly pull out names of all authors and simply make a page out of it. For example from: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24807930/git-list-all-authors-of-a-fo= lder-of-files by using: git log --pretty=3Dformat:"%an%x09" myfolder | sort | uniq I have got whole list of authors. With some other formatting it can be done very nicely and easily. They could be mentioned in one line or anyhow. In my opinion History of Emacs is not mentioned on website, it should be, authors are not mentioned, it should be. Website is not for authors, it is for public, including for media, and people who do not use Emacs. There is difference if software was made by 1-2 people or by 1800+ people. General usefulness could be described as information and giving credits. Aaron Conole=09 Aaron Ecay=09 Aaron Jensen=09 Aaron S. Hawley=09 Achim Gratz=09 ...cut.... 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