From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>, lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Tab bar tabs landed on master
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:49:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191007174953.u6crpmd4xhqnbpg6@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83k19gzd6k.fsf@gnu.org>
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 08:18:59PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
>> Cc: spacibba@aol.com, lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 22:53:40 +0300
>>
>> > I agree, but if "C-x 6" is already used, it's taken. Is it such a
>> > catastrophe to use "C-x 7"?
>>
>> "C-x 7" is an illogical key, it breaks the sequence of C-x 4, C-x 5.
>
>Then how about the suggestion to use "C-x t" instead?
>
>> We need to ask the users of 2C how often they use C-x 6.
>> I believe they are using a more mnemonic key f2.
>
>Asking them and receiving the answers could take ages. I don't think
>we have that time. We need to decide soon, because once the emacs-27
>branch is cut, it will be harder to make such changes.
>
>Would more people please speak up on this issue, and suggest
>alternative prefixes if they have ideas about that?
>
Hi:
(Advertisement: personal opinion here)
Call me revolutionary, but I am perfectly fine to set this to `C-x 6`
and move the old one to a better place (when needed) Specially if this
keeps things more organized and `standardized` somehow (easier to
remember/associate).
2C already have something much more "privileged": f2 is short,
exclusive and mnemonic... Very few commands has the privilege to get a
single key binding as 2C already do. Free bindings does not grow like
mushrooms in emacs... ;p
C-x t is "fine", but if breaks the sequence 4 5 6 (which is not a
disaster, but will break the "standard" we have been following up to
now.) In order of priority I will base the decisions:
1- ergonomic
2- mnemonic
2.5- economy of shorter bindings
3- backward compatibility (terminal compatibility/limitations are exception)
4- historical reasons.
So actually I prefer C-x 6 for this feature that potentially may be very
popular for new users as all the browsers and modern applications use
them....
C-x t on the other hand is popular for "term" and similar commands
(better-shell multi-term and so on...) so in the future we should
consider maybe to set it to something related to that if possible.
>> As the comment in two-column.el explains, a choice of C-x 6 for 2C-command
>> was just a historic accident.
>
>That might be so, but I don't think we can correct that accident
>without some transition period. Which is not possible ion this case.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-07 17:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-01 20:17 Tab bar tabs landed on master Juri Linkov
2019-10-01 21:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01 22:28 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-01 22:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-10-01 23:27 ` Ergus
2019-10-03 22:10 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-05 21:55 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 18:48 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:23 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-06 19:53 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 17:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-07 17:49 ` Ergus [this message]
2019-10-06 21:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-06 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-06 22:58 ` add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window Stephen Leake
2019-10-07 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 20:14 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-10 22:46 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-11 8:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-19 22:07 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-20 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 17:37 ` Tab bar tabs landed on master Juri Linkov
2019-10-23 20:54 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-26 22:16 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-27 23:05 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-23 20:59 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-01 23:13 ` Ergus
2019-11-02 7:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-02 11:46 ` Ergus
2019-10-02 8:55 ` martin rudalics
2019-10-02 16:30 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-02 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 16:27 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-02 17:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-02 19:55 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-05 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-05 22:07 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-06 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 19:15 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 18:43 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-09 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-11 23:57 ` Juri Linkov
2020-01-12 3:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-12 23:25 ` Juri Linkov
2020-01-13 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-13 23:35 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-18 23:56 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-19 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-14 23:37 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-15 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-03 8:16 ` martin rudalics
2019-10-03 8:15 ` martin rudalics
2019-10-03 3:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-03 9:02 ` Robert Pluim
2019-10-07 13:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 13:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-10-07 15:53 ` Ergus
2019-10-07 20:23 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-07 20:58 ` Ergus
2019-10-07 21:48 ` Zach Pearson
2019-10-07 22:29 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 22:43 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-10 7:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 16:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-07 20:19 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-08 7:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-20 22:39 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-20 23:06 ` Ergus
2019-10-21 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-21 21:40 ` Juri Linkov
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2019-10-03 11:23 Andrii Kolomoiets
2019-10-03 12:19 ` Robert Pluim
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