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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:72:7ec:8b54:d28f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z142sm4773655wmc.24.2019.09.20.11.26.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Sep 2019 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h85aptxt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:240203 Archived-At: On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:28:14PM +0300, Juri Linkov wrote: > > It now builds but emacs crashes on start. I don't have time to debug > > it in gdb right now, but I'll look into it and send a proper > > backtrace. For now, here's the crash output: > > Meanwhile, could you please answer a quick question: > Does macOS builds support non-native tool-bar? > > (info "(emacs) Tool Bars") contains this explanation: > > NS builds consider the tool bar to be a window decoration, and > therefore do not display it when a window is undecorated. *Note > (elisp)Frame Parameters::. On macOS the tool bar is hidden when the > frame is put into fullscreen, but can be displayed by moving the mouse > pointer to the top of the screen. > > Does this mean that NS builds implement only external tool-bar? > This might imply the need to use an external tab-bar as well. NS doesn’t support a non‐native toolbar. I don’t see any reason why a non‐native tab bar couldn’t be written, although I suppose it may have to be a completely new implementation. Cocoa provides a native tab bar, but it’s not programmable, it simply merges (OS) windows together in one. -- Alan Third