From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:03:33 +0000 Message-ID: <20180914140333.GB4103@ACM> References: <770f48a8-664a-40ae-8e03-19f6aad248b6@default> <20180910181615.GA4829@ACM> <874lev3bq4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20180912131602.GA5582@ACM> <87d0tihxzw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20180913174640.GB4019@ACM> <8736udkuit.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20180914104833.GA4103@ACM> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536933881 4148 195.159.176.226 (14 Sep 2018 14:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: hw@adminart.net, spacibba@aol.com, Joost Kremers , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers , Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , Phillip Lord To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 16:04:36 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g0oi3-0000vU-Rr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:04:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51881 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0okA-0003t3-Ci for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:06:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ojy-0003rR-FT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ojw-0006CM-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:06:34 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:29254 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g0ojw-0006AG-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:06:32 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 28384 invoked by uid 3782); 14 Sep 2018 14:06:31 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B147346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.115.70]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:06:29 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 8706 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Sep 2018 14:03:33 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229778 Archived-At: Hello, Yuri. On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 20:41:46 +0700, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 5:52 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote: [ .... ] > One other thing that I want is that the region be highlighted if and > only if it is going to be the target of the next command I give, > because I like to look before I leap. It seems transient-mark-mode is > intended to give me this by adding the concept of active region and > highlighting the region when it is active. However, many commands act > on the region even if it is inactive. kill-region and > copy-region-as-kill are two such commands. You don't mention setting mark-even-if-inactive to nil. Have you tried this, and if so, what problems still remain with this setting? > I am sure there are many more, ..... [ .... ] > I was one of two people here to suggest that it is a bad thing that > the mark is used both as a navigation mechanism and as a region > delimiter, but, in practice, it would not matter much if the above > issue was addressed. This categorisation of the mark as either for navigation or for a region delimiter, if it happened, would have to be optional. For me, this "double" use is a plus. For example, quite often I do things like M->, C-w to kill from point to EOB. At the same time, I have no use for transient-mark-mode, which I disable. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).