From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A couple of questions and concerns about Emacs network security Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20180705164632.5e2b889b@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <83o9g2uhju.fsf@gnu.org> <20180705115826.73c1d95e@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <6779c574-42ba-4041-a19c-b9373a8acf5a@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1530823538 1867 195.159.176.226 (5 Jul 2018 20:45:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 20:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, wyuenho@gmail.com To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 05 22:45:33 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fbB89-0000Nx-FC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 22:45:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54772 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbBAG-0005PM-Nv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 16:47:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55527) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbB9C-0005O4-F3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 16:46:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbB9B-0006Oj-QG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 16:46:38 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:36508) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbB96-0006HT-W7; Thu, 05 Jul 2018 16:46:33 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AEA217; Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618FA2DEE54; Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:46:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6779c574-42ba-4041-a19c-b9373a8acf5a@cs.ucla.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:226976 Archived-At: On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 12:20:54 -0700 Paul Eggert wrote: > Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > The security of OpenSSL is, so far as I can tell, more reliably > > managed. > > Yes, OpenSSL is surely the best choice for current applications, > despite its obvious drawbacks. That being said, Emacs shouldn't be > tied down to OpenSSL, just as it should not be tied down to GnuTLS. > There is currently quite a bit of interest in replacing OpenSSL > with something better, and with luck we'll see improvements in the > not-too-distant future. We insulate Emacs users from this turmoil > as best we can. This seems completely reasonable. That said, for now, I think the best possible default should be what we recommend until some better possible default exists. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com