From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git help please - checking out old commit doesn't find lib/gnulib.mk.in. Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: <20171112215547.GD20916@ACM> References: <20171112180959.GB20916@ACM> <83inefmjuh.fsf@gnu.org> <20171112200651.GC20916@ACM> <83d14nmebn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1510523857 8042 195.159.176.226 (12 Nov 2017 21:57:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:57:37 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 12 22:57:30 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eE0Fu-0001li-8D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:57:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51399 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eE0G1-0002TC-ML for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:57:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eE0Fv-0002Sf-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:57:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eE0Fs-0005ry-R7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:57:32 -0500 Original-Received: from ocolin.muc.de ([193.149.48.4]:20030 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eE0Fs-0005rg-Jv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:57:28 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 48127 invoked by uid 3782); 12 Nov 2017 21:57:24 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C60E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.96.227]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:57:23 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 16563 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Nov 2017 21:55:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.4 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220118 Archived-At: Hello, Paul. On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 13:23:37 -0800, Paul Eggert wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > FWIW, I'm in Alan's camp: I can never remember which kind of "clean" > > does what in the makefile. > We could have a new rule ("make bootgit", say?) that does a "git clean -fdx" > followed by a "make bootstrap". This rule would be useful only for developers > who are using git. And that would be utterly useless for me. I have quite a few non-registered files around my repositories, for example those used by backup scripts, or diff files, or stdout/stderr from Emacs builds. I do not want to get rid of these random files. What I need to get rid of are specifically those files which are preventing a build working. >From the documentation, you would expect make bootstrap to do this. It doesn't. make clean and make distclean fail because around 12 files in m4/ are missing. Why on earth are these make targets, which are solely for deleting files, invoking m4 macros? Why can Emacs not have a reliable way of cleaning up configuration and build products (and _only_ these) such that a clean build can then be done? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).