From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CC Mode version number for Emacs 25.2 Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 09:58:19 +0000 Message-ID: <20170108095819.GA3998@acm.fritz.box> References: <20161218161335.GA30217@acm.fritz.box> <96d507b2-3e3b-0cad-31e6-1fcb0e110ffc@Alexander.Shukaev.name> <949b8c43-eb42-60fe-5b0c-5cf2a98d7839@Alexander.Shukaev.name> <20161222163427.GA10987@acm.fritz.box> <68e12441-2523-c226-17f5-7fd4dab7d36c@Alexander.Shukaev.name> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1483869574 23553 195.159.176.226 (8 Jan 2017 09:59:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 09:59:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alexander Shukaev Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 08 10:59:23 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cQAFv-0003d9-Q4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:59:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60857 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQAFy-0000LC-A5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 04:59:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQAFO-0000Kw-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 04:58:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQAFI-000187-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 04:58:42 -0500 Original-Received: from ocolin.muc.de ([193.149.48.4]:31208 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cQAFI-00017n-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 04:58:36 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 73919 invoked by uid 3782); 8 Jan 2017 09:58:33 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C751E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.117.30]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 08 Jan 2017 10:58:32 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 4089 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Jan 2017 09:58:19 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <68e12441-2523-c226-17f5-7fd4dab7d36c@Alexander.Shukaev.name> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.4 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211162 Archived-At: Hello, Alexander. On Sat, Jan 07, 2017 at 11:02:10PM +0100, Alexander Shukaev wrote: > On 12/22/2016 05:34 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, Alexander. [ .... ] > > CC Mode is not available through package.el. There's either the > > version in an Emacs release (which is frozen at pretest time, > > typically several months before the release), or there's the stand > > alone version (which can be any age) available from > > http://cc-mode.sourceforge.net/. The latest stand alone version, > > 5.33, was released in August 2016. > > Alternatively, you can use the head of the VCS repository either at > > savannah (for the entire Emacs version) or at sourceforge (for just > > CC Mode). > Hello Alan, > To me that looks like a major problem. It means that I have three > options to keep track of your package: > 1. Install it manually by copying corresponding '*.el' files into my > Emacs configuration repository and shadow `load-path' on my own properly. > 2. Make your repository to be a submodule of mine (what does not work > for me since you are using Mercurial, while I use Git) and shadow > `load-path' on my own properly. > 3. Use `el-get' to do that management for me. > All of these I find unacceptable: #1 smells like 90's (or earlier), #2 > already mentioned, #3 requires another dependency that I don't want to > deal with at the moment. All of that brings up a simple question: why > such a widespread and useful package is not packaged on MELPA and other > popular online archives? Largely because of the extra work involved in creating and maintaining these extra copies of CC Mode (much of which would be about finding out how to do it). I already maintain CC Mode in three places (CC Mode at SourceForge, the Emacs repostitory, the XEmacs package repository). If I were to add a fourth, just how much testing would that involve each time I fix a bug or add a feature? If you don't like this situation, you could do the work yourself to set up and maintain CC Mode in ELPA or MELPA. This would have to be a long term commitment, by the way (otherwise the ELPA/MELPA versions would fall into disrepair, adversely affecting the reputation of CC Mode). I could certainly work together with you to assist in this. > Kind regards, > Alexander -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).