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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209266 Archived-At: On 07/11/16 at 10:13pm, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 15:08:28 -0500 > > From: Mark Oteiza > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > > I meant what happens if we for some reason need to reinstate some of > > > them? > > > > Partially revert the commit I guess. > > Would it work to do in Lisp something like > > (defvar default-FOO (default-value FOO)) No, because default-FOO is tied to the default value of FOO, and manipulating default-FOO created this way would have no effect on FOO's default value. Any user of the obsolete default-FOOs should be changing their code to: (setq-default FOO bar) ;; setter (set-default 'FOO bar) ;; setter (default-value 'FOO) ;; getter > > perhaps you or someone else know better why the default-FOO > > variables might be needed again, or why they were implemented in the > > first place. > > I don't know, maybe someone else does.