From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Skipping unexec via a big .elc file
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:53:13 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161025185313.088e9afa@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83twc0whav.fsf@gnu.org>
On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 18:59:36 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > Everyone who's seriously thought about the unexec problem
> > _understands_ the issue.
>
> The important point is that the number of people here who can claim
> such understanding, enough so to fix the issues, is diminishingly
> small, and gets smaller every year.
Just an aside: when you attract fewer and fewer users, you end up with
fewer and fewer contributors. Fewer and fewer contributors makes
maintenance harder and can create a death spiral for projects. If, in
an effort to make maintenance easier, you scare off a lot of users,
you could end up making the maintenance situation worse in the long
run. I'm not saying that longer start time would scare off users as
such, but in general, this balance has to be weighed in making
decisions about usability vs. maintenance costs.
Perry
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Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com
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2016-10-22 3:03 ` When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) npostavs
2016-10-22 5:32 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-22 7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-22 18:34 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-22 19:43 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 2:37 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 7:57 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 9:38 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23 12:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 14:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 14:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 18:19 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-23 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 20:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 10:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 4:59 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-24 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 8:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-10-24 8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 16:21 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-24 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 16:54 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-24 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 6:23 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-25 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 6:18 ` Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
2016-10-28 6:19 ` Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
2016-10-28 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 15:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-10-23 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 15:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-10-23 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 16:44 ` Skipping unexec via a big .elc file (was: When should ralloc.c be used?) Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 20:27 ` Skipping unexec via a big .elc file Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 12:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 1:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 6:47 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-10-24 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 8:24 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-10-24 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 9:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-24 10:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 10:03 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-24 10:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 10:28 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-24 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 13:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 13:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 14:45 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-24 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 16:17 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-24 16:51 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-10-24 19:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-25 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 16:14 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-25 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 19:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 22:53 ` Perry E. Metzger [this message]
2016-10-26 2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-26 2:37 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-24 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 22:46 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-24 9:40 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-24 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 9:02 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-25 13:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-27 8:51 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-30 14:43 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-30 15:31 ` Simon Leinen
2016-10-30 16:52 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-31 14:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-02 7:36 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-11-02 12:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-02 12:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-03 5:37 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-11 13:34 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-11 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-24 11:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-25 15:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-11 19:18 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-15 12:57 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-15 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-15 16:26 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-11 19:18 ` Richard Stallman
2016-12-12 17:25 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-13 15:21 ` Ken Brown
2016-12-14 5:30 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-14 5:45 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-14 10:58 ` Phil Sainty
2016-12-14 12:06 ` Yuri Khan
2016-12-14 11:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-12-15 11:45 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-15 17:28 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-15 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-15 22:07 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 7:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-16 14:28 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-16 15:28 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-12-16 21:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-16 21:38 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-12-17 14:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-19 15:11 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-16 7:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-19 15:15 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-19 15:09 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-20 18:57 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-20 23:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-21 7:44 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-12-21 12:13 ` Phillip Lord
2016-12-16 14:22 ` Robert Pluim
2016-12-24 13:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-12-26 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-07 9:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-09 10:28 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-01-10 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-10 9:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-01-10 17:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-11 6:32 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-01-12 8:17 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-01-14 10:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-14 10:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-01-14 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-14 11:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-01-14 12:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-01-14 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-14 15:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-01-14 17:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-14 18:50 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-01-14 15:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-14 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-14 18:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-14 20:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-21 7:58 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-01-22 16:55 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-02 9:10 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-04 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-05 14:19 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-05 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-05 23:19 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-06 15:20 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-06 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-06 19:08 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-06 22:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-08 10:31 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-02-08 14:38 ` Ken Brown
2017-02-05 20:03 ` Ken Brown
2017-02-25 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-25 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-26 12:37 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-03-04 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-06 8:46 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-03-11 12:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 13:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-03-11 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-11 21:48 ` Richard Stallman
2017-03-11 22:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-11 23:59 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-03-12 17:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-13 8:25 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-03-26 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-28 2:27 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-03-31 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-31 8:40 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-04-03 16:15 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-04-03 16:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-04-03 18:35 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-04-03 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-04 8:08 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-04-04 9:51 ` Robert Pluim
2017-04-04 10:27 ` joakim
2017-04-04 12:14 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-04-04 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-04 15:16 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-04-04 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-04 18:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-04-07 5:46 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-04-07 7:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-07 9:02 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-04-07 13:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-07 16:02 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-04-07 16:17 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-04-08 15:03 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-08 15:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-04-08 15:53 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-08 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-08 18:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-05-01 11:41 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-04-08 17:58 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-05-01 11:40 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-05-01 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-18 17:39 ` Daniel Colascione
2017-05-18 19:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-25 15:46 ` Philipp Stephani
2018-12-25 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-25 19:15 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-12-26 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-07 21:37 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-01-15 22:46 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-01-16 8:45 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-01-16 10:25 ` Robert Pluim
2019-01-16 11:58 ` Phillip Lord
2019-01-18 12:46 ` Windows Binaries with pdumper Phillip Lord
2019-01-21 11:30 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2019-01-21 14:19 ` Phillip Lord
2019-01-16 12:00 ` Skipping unexec via a big .elc file Elias Mårtenson
2019-01-16 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-16 16:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-01-16 21:56 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-05-21 8:44 ` compiled lisp file format (Re: Skipping unexec via a big .elc file) Ken Raeburn
2017-05-21 8:53 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-28 11:07 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-05-28 12:43 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-05-29 9:33 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-07-02 15:46 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-07-03 1:44 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-09-24 13:57 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-27 8:31 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-05-28 21:09 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-29 9:33 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-05-29 16:37 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-29 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-29 18:03 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-29 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-29 20:15 ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-30 5:52 ` Ken Raeburn
2017-05-30 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-05-21 16:02 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-07 13:23 ` Skipping unexec via a big .elc file Stefan Monnier
2017-04-10 16:19 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-24 18:34 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-10-24 19:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 12:55 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 14:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 16:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 16:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 20:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-23 20:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-23 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 5:11 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-24 12:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 14:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 14:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 16:27 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-24 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 2:34 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-25 14:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 14:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-28 6:03 ` Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
2016-10-28 6:23 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 7:09 ` Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
2016-10-28 7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 8:11 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 8:44 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 9:52 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 12:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 13:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-28 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-28 15:41 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-29 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-29 6:14 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 12:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-28 11:40 ` Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
2016-10-28 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-28 14:41 ` Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas
2016-10-28 15:34 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-24 18:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 14:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 19:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-25 3:12 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-25 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-26 4:36 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-26 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 8:51 ` Ken Raeburn
2016-10-24 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 12:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 18:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-24 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 16:56 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-24 0:21 ` When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) Richard Stallman
2016-10-24 3:59 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-24 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-24 16:55 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-24 17:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 2:35 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-25 6:38 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-25 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 23:49 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-26 5:08 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-26 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-26 13:10 ` Noam Postavsky
2016-10-26 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 1:23 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-27 1:36 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-27 13:35 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-27 14:51 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-27 15:05 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-27 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 21:03 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-27 21:07 ` Daniel Colascione
2016-10-27 23:23 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-27 23:32 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Daniel Colascione
2016-10-28 7:06 ` When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 13:44 ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-10-27 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 20:39 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-28 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 19:12 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-29 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-29 14:55 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Stefan Monnier
2016-10-30 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-30 21:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-29 16:38 ` When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) Richard Stallman
2016-10-29 21:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-31 19:18 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-31 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 12:51 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Stefan Monnier
2016-10-27 20:40 ` When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) Richard Stallman
2016-10-27 22:34 ` Paul Eggert
2016-10-28 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-28 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-28 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-28 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-26 11:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 1:24 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-28 12:57 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Stefan Monnier
2016-10-28 19:13 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-28 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-10-29 16:35 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-29 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-29 16:37 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-29 21:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-30 11:33 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-30 15:33 ` Alp Aker
2016-10-30 17:19 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-30 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-25 23:49 ` When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) Richard Stallman
2016-10-25 2:35 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-25 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 1:22 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-25 23:00 ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-10-26 2:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-27 1:25 ` Richard Stallman
2016-10-24 14:04 ` When should ralloc.c be used? Stefan Monnier
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