From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Cairo bugs (was Re: Emacs as browser (was Re: Concurrency, again)) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20161020182208.6071ab2c@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <83mvi9a3mh.fsf@gnu.org> <20161012165911.58437154@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161012173314.799d1dc5@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8360owaj2s.fsf@gnu.org> <20161013092701.77461800@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161017105345.2f255760@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83y41nx8l6.fsf@gnu.org> <20161017123459.5ded9408@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87vawosoul.fsf@elephly.net> <20161019090741.46ea2704@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161019163806.7c77f100@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83twc7tqxr.fsf@gnu.org> <20161020111527.26bf4ab9@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83h987t4c0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477002598 23014 195.159.176.226 (20 Oct 2016 22:29:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rekado@elephly.net, jwiegley@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 21 00:29:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bxLqG-0003dn-J5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:29:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57411 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxLqI-0006bA-R2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:29:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57532) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxLjC-0000JZ-Pc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxLjB-0002C7-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:22:22 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:34339) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bxLj6-00027w-Fc; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ECF5FC; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7AD2DE01E; Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83h987t4c0.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208555 Archived-At: On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 18:42:07 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > And what *did* happen to the Cairo stuff? > > I has bugs that we cannot fix because no one knowns enough about > Cairo drawing. The person who wrote the code left the Emacs > development short time after merging the code. > > > Cairo would make Wayland easy if I recall correctly. > > That was the idea behind introducing it. > > > > IMO, working on that is much more important for the future of > > > Emacs than any other improvements, including, but not limited > > > to, the "future of Emacs Lisp" discussions, the > > > "feature/integrated-elpa" discussions, etc. Developing Emacs > > > without first-class experts on X on board makes no sense to > > > me. > > > > Perhaps no first class experts in the area are aware that Emacs > > needs the help? > > Perhaps. So, I believe Keith Packard (who co-created Cairo and is a very expert GUI developer) uses Emacs. Perhaps if one of the Emacs maintainers appealed to him, he might be able to find someone able to help? Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com