From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 25.0.04: Feature Request: Make called-interactively-p's argument optional Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:56:59 +0000 Message-ID: <20160703185659.GB4923@acm.fritz.box> References: <83mvm2vglx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467572226 23787 80.91.229.3 (3 Jul 2016 18:57:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 03 20:56:59 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmZe-0003T0-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 20:56:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmZe-0006PW-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:56:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60198) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmZY-0006PP-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:56:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmZV-00027S-GW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:56:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:16537) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bJmZV-00027O-6a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 20502 invoked by uid 3782); 3 Jul 2016 18:56:48 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FC464A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.196.100.168]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Jul 2016 20:56:46 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 7158 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Jul 2016 18:56:59 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205116 Archived-At: Hello, Andreas. On Sun, Jul 03, 2016 at 08:36:56PM +0200, Andreas Röhler wrote: > On 30.06.2016 17:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Robert Weiner > >> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:25:26 -0400 > >> Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel > >> It would be nice if John and Eli could just make some final > >> decision on the interactive-p issue and then put that one to rest, > >> whatever it is. > > I have no opinion on the subject, except the general principle that > > we shouldn't back up on past decisions unless they are truly > > disastrous, > They are. This is another example from a couple of issues which went > wrong last years. Code was made swollen up and complicated, simple > solutions rejected. This is the sort of thing liable to make people unhappy with your postings. Please say exactly what has become turgid and complicated, where simple solutions have been rejected. Possibly those simple solutions were too simple. > BTW a characteristic design-flaw beyond mentioned last days is around > use-region-p. With use-empty-active-region or region-active-p it > hardly comes to an end. What hardly comes to an end? Are you talking about a loop in the code, our discussion on emacs-devel, or a design flaw not coming to an end? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).