From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove special requirement to disable startup message. 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[73.172.248.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y199sm16442251qhb.4.2015.12.22.10.41.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:41:08 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2568696AD; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:41:06 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24+44 (9480a363a68a) (2015-08-30) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196683 Archived-At: On 20/12/15 at 12:13am, Richard Stallman wrote: > This code blocks the most obvious way for the site to disable the > message for all users. Why is this important? It also makes the init file of a user following the docstring of inhibit-startup-echo-area-message less portable. Further, it forces particular syntax upon users not using the customize interface. > That's exactly what it is meant to do. When > this doesn't work, the person will investigate why not, read what we > said about the issue, and may decide not to do it. I have yet to see a good explanation for the weird treatment of this variable. "Preventing site from disabling the message" is silly because you cannot prevent it. "thoughtless copying of init files" is another silly reason because the init file can contain elisp that unconditionally disables the message.