From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:40:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20150617084001.GA3338@acm.fritz.box> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <83lhfkoqww.fsf@gnu.org> <55811ED0.80304@dancol.org> <878ubioimj.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434530396 6829 80.91.229.3 (17 Jun 2015 08:39:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:39:56 +0000 (UTC) To: Daniel Colascione , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 17 10:39:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z58st-0000wc-Eh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:39:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45200 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z58ss-0006MI-Rn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 04:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z58se-0006MA-Ot for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 04:39:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z58sb-0000UZ-6f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 04:39:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:57127) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z58sa-0000U5-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 04:39:29 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 79463 invoked by uid 3782); 17 Jun 2015 08:39:27 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548A586C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.138.88.108]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:39:25 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 3479 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Jun 2015 08:40:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <878ubioimj.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187237 Archived-At: Hello, Tassilo. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:15:48AM +0200, Tassilo Horn wrote: > Daniel Colascione writes: > >> And there are ways of adapting: convenient input methods for typing > >> the characters, replacements for displaying them on terminals that > >> cannot show the originals > > Can we make " match fancy quotes in isearch? > And ditto for ` and ' which I guess should also match ‘ and ’, > respectively. That's the downside of having two alternatives for > marking symbols in comments and docstrings. Indeed. With such a change to isearch, Emacs takes one more step from being a sharp tool to being a blunt instrument. > And of course one wants that convenience also with search-forward, > query-replace, grep, rgrep, occur, swiper, ag (3rd party), swiper (3rd > party), ... Don't forget that Emacs is used for things other than developing Elisp programs. Such an identification of disparate characters is not going to be universally welcome, and will cause confusion. > Bye, > Tassilo -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).