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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 4e23cd0 4/5: * mail/rmail.el (rmail-show-message-1): When displaying a mime message,
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:51:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150407165131.GA2600@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1YfW8I-0002VD-IZ@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hello, Richard.

On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 12:13:46PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
>   > > In my book, "I want everything to work like CVS" means a lack of 
>   > > motivation to learn.

> Why should I have a "motivation to learn" so much about using git?
> I am not learning it our of curiosity!

> You make an analogy of fishing.  Suppose you are a teacher, and
> a government imposes the rule that every teacher must catch a fish
> each day in order to be allowed to teach that day.  Do you want
> to learn to fish, or do you want the rule cancelled?

> Development tools are supposed to make our work easier -- not harder.
> For me, Git means many hurdles to jump in order to do the things that
> were easy before.

For what it's worth, I agree with you here on all the points you make.

> Also, I do this infrequently enough that I will have time to forget
> whatever I learn now.

I have had the good fortune/misfortune of having to learn this tool to a
minimum level of competence to be able to contribute to Emacs at all.
This cost me many, many hours I would rather have spent doing other
things.  I'm committing often enough not to forget between commits - for
the moment, at any rate.

Git is a monster to learn, taking an order of magnitude longer than to
learn Mercurial or Bazaar, and a greater jump still from learning CVS.

I would prefer just to be a user of a VCS.  With most VCSs, this is
possible.  With git, it is not; one has to know a good deal of its
internal workings to use it at all.

However, a lot of people like git, possibly for reasons similar to the
ones why we dislike it.  As a project we're stuck with it for the
foreseeable future.  :-(

> -- 
> Dr Richard Stallman

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-07 16:51 UTC|newest]

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2015-04-05 12:56   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 4e23cd0 4/5: * mail/rmail.el (rmail-show-message-1): When displaying a mime message, Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-05 13:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-05 13:16       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-05 15:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-05 19:47           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-05 20:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-05 22:32               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-06  7:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-06 12:03                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-06 12:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-06 23:32                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-07  6:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-07 16:13                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-07 16:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-07 16:51                     ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2015-04-07 17:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-07 20:11                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-08  6:36                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-08  1:38                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-08 10:48                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-08 22:19                           ` chad
2015-04-09 13:16                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-09  1:16                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-09  7:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-09 12:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-09 12:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-09 16:12                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-08 18:19                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-09  1:31                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-09  7:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-09 16:24                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-09 16:35                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-10  4:53                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-10  7:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-10  8:30                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-11 19:18                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-12  6:10                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-13 21:06                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-13 23:08                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-14 17:16                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-14 17:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 21:23                                         ` João Távora
2015-04-15  2:46                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-15  8:09                                             ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2015-04-15 16:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-15 16:21                                                 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2015-04-15 16:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 21:47                                       ` Steinar Bang
2015-04-08 18:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-08 18:29                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-08 19:18                           ` John Yates
2015-04-09 13:41                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-08  1:32                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-08 18:19                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-09  1:19                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-09  7:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-09 11:43                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-07 20:45                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-08  5:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-05 17:42         ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-05 18:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-06  5:50             ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-06  7:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-06  7:45                 ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2015-04-07 16:13                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-07 17:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-08 12:02                 ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-04-08 12:26                   ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2015-04-08 18:01                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-08 12:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-15  0:34               ` Rostislav Svoboda
2015-04-05 17:42     ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-05 19:01       ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2015-04-05 21:00       ` Dmitry Gutov

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