From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <20150112192705.2779de2f@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <54B1B97E.9070204@gmail.com> <87fvbhskl5.fsf@engster.org> <54B456F1.4060706@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421108849 6143 80.91.229.3 (13 Jan 2015 00:27:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 00:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Engster , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jacob Bachmeyer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 13 01:27:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YApKM-0003nM-Ps for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:27:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36786 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YApKL-0001k4-9K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45426) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YApK8-0001jz-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YApK7-0001UV-Qh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400]:52718) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YApK7-0001UR-ML for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:07 -0500 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583253BD; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:06 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A062DEA87; Mon, 12 Jan 2015 19:27:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <54B456F1.4060706@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181199 Archived-At: On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 17:21:21 -0600 Jacob Bachmeyer wrote: > >> Parsing is relatively simple compared to the rest > >> of GCC. > > > > I don't think the guys maintaining the C++ frontend would agree... > > Then C++ is even more complex than I had thought. I last used it > for a freshman course in college some years ago. C++ is an amazing mess. Parsing is grotesquely hard for a modern language -- C++ isn't even remotely LALR -- and on top of that, we have things like the template language which is Turing complete. The language is also more and more complicated with every passing year -- modern C++ is a huge language compared to the C++ of 20 years ago. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com