From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 19:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <20150108195506.59c44222@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <8761nusb90.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vbkovhh7.fsf@engster.org> <87387rvobr.fsf@engster.org> <83ppat84hk.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106143933.0090bc83@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r3v77ij6.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106154539.3d0752c4@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87wq4ype3z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20150108083211.5a85a077@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420764939 15436 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2015 00:55:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 00:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, dak@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 09 01:55:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9NrL-0005OG-1A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:55:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48732 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9NrK-0008Go-Ia for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:55:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9Nr8-0008Ea-7e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:55:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9Nr7-0003BM-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:55:14 -0500 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:35908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9Nr1-00036L-Ov; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:55:07 -0500 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E51F84; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 19:55:07 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E002DEA03; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 19:55:07 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181086 Archived-At: On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:01:27 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote: > > and even worse, to > > convince developers in general that free software is too hard > > to use and that non-free software is the way for them to get > > their work done. > > I cannot follow you there. Which non-free software are you talking > about? Could there be a misunderstanding here? > > LLVM is free software. I'm referring to IDEs and refactoring tools. I now know a large number of people, even people who used to be Emacs enthusiasts and would otherwise prefer to continue using Emacs, who use such tools because they are simply to convenient. They reduce their work load too much, make it much easier to produce software they need to write at higher speed. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com