From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: <20141208171642.GA3842@acm.acm> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <83egsd3kyi.fsf@gnu.org> <871toapbh9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418059064 32563 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 17:17:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, cwebber@dustycloud.org, Phillip Lord , ruediger@c-plusplus.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 18:17:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1wB-0004nI-7w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:17:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35153 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1wA-0002Ao-EA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:17:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58803) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1vs-0002Ag-Rb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:17:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1vn-0002CC-7j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:17:12 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:28814 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1vm-0002Ay-Ts for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:17:07 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 74214 invoked by uid 3782); 8 Dec 2014 17:17:05 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9518B18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.81.139.24]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:17:03 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 7446 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Dec 2014 17:16:42 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179417 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 06:08:26PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) > > Cc: , , , > > Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:33:38 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> > But a lot of this is cosmetic. We could improve Texinfo to look much > > >> > better probably (and that would positively affect a lot of existing GNU > > >> > projects). > > >> But it would still be Texinfo, still be an essentially pointless > > >> barrier to learning how to contribute. > > > Nonsense. What evidence do you have to back that up? > > I think it is intrinsically hard to get evidence for why people do NOT > > do something. > What I had in mind was some evidence, even anecdotal one, that people > considered contributing a chunk of docs, but decided against that > because of Texinfo. I don't recall any difficulty learning Texinfo at all, and I certainly didn't find it off-putting. Back in ~2003, I had done some fairly substantial Elisp coding, and it needed documenting. Compared with the effort needed to learn Emacs and Elisp, I found Texinfo fairly trivial. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).