From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:14:37 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20141208171436.GA8824@thyrsus.com> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <83egsd3kyi.fsf@gnu.org> <871toapbh9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418058900 29328 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 17:15:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:15:00 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 18:14:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1tZ-0003KS-Qt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:14:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35141 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1tZ-0000le-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:14:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58225) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1tR-0000lZ-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:14:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1tN-000116-I6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:14:41 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:40673 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy1tN-00010x-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:14:37 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 05F88C0083; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:14:37 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179414 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov : > It's always been a nasty hurdle for me, discouraging me from writing new > stuff. I can never remember the syntax (I deal with Markdown and other > formats all day, and texinfo gets pushed out). I also hate having to > list section names twice and the index and all the other nonsense. > > FWIW, org-mode is all right but Yet Another Format. I think it wouldn't > be an improvement over texinfo for user adoption. Asciidoc, Docutils, or > Markdown seem much better if we want to make contributions easy. Ted is perfectly representative of the younger developers I run into. When I use terms like "ugly" and "heavyweight", misfeatures like the duplication of structure in sections and nodes are part of what I have in mind. Ted is what's normal out there. It's the handful of people on this list so used to Texinfo that it has worn grooves in their brains who are the outliers. -- Eric S. Raymond