From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 01:18:07 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20141206061807.GD14890@thyrsus.com> References: <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> <83388u4bps.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsejkrt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tx19jpqz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417846739 7795 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 06:18:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 06:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 07:18:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx8he-0002Ma-AU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:18:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53487 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx8hd-0001GJ-Pk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:18:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49079) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx8hW-0001GB-Gw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:18:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx8hS-0007FB-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:18:42 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:60291 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx8hS-0007F6-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:18:38 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E256C383542; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 01:18:07 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87tx19jpqz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179097 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull : > I see worries about "hostile" environment, and suggestions for making > things more welcoming to new contributors. I have to ask, what do all > you folks who are suggesting Emacs change its procedures think is in > it for the mentors and core developers? A future for Emacs. I'm trying to get the project moving in a direction that will lower barriers to entry and attract new developers because I'm seriously concerned that without such changes Emacs will ossify and dwindle into irrelevance. There are lots of other claims on my time. There are many things I would rather be doing than having the kinds of arguments this aim will inecitably land me in. But I think it's important enough that I'm here. -- Eric S. Raymond