From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:52:03 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20141205175203.GB3120@thyrsus.com> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417801947 17832 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 17:52:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 17:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 18:52:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwx3E-00080c-A2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:52:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51715 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwx3D-0006aR-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:52:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42637) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwx36-0006Zl-0P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:52:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwx2y-0006y6-IX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:52:11 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:56550 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwx2y-0006xr-F5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:52:04 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DEE843834EC; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 12:52:03 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178963 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier : > > I have discussed this with RMS and, pending my ability to actually write > > proper translation tools, we have agreed on asciidoc as a new master > > format. This is what should replace Texinfo and the gallimaufry of > > ad-hoc text files like /etc/CONTRIBUTE and the admin/notes stuff. > > I must say I have a hard time believing that Richard made the decision > to ditch Texinfo and move to AsciiDoc. Could we hear it from the > horse's mouth? Is AsciiDoc (going to be) a GNU package? We didn't discuss that. The only resrervation RMS expressed to me during our last exchange about this was about lowering the quality of the PostScript renderings of the manuals. > Of course, we wouldn't want to lose the ability to view the docs within > Emacs itself (rather than requiring Firefox) while disconnected from > the net. And neither do we want to lose the `index' facility of Info. I'm aware of these issues. The indexing support in stock asciidoc may not be quites strong enough; this is one of the things I need to investigate As to document browsing inside Emacs itself, Emacs is now a browser. So rendering HTML solves that problem too. -- Eric S. Raymond