From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20141028111903.199d44ab@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20141022193441.GA11872@roeckx.be> <87zjcnj2k6.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87mw8mzmxj.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023143702.3897e618@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8761fazkx7.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023145721.12ed0820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87vbnay5lf.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023154223.45f2c9eb@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874muuihjh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141023230048.13f8234a@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87wq7pgpif.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141024171421.78720abe@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87r3xxgmx2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141024204202.276dbb1f@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8738a95t6b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141027153954.08930677@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87lho04qvn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414509641 18406 80.91.229.3 (28 Oct 2014 15:20:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, kurt@roeckx.be, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Florian Weimer , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Rob Browning To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 28 16:20:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xj8ZU-0008Q3-J6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:20:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39812 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xj8ZU-0004cT-4q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:20:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42697) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xj8YA-00033L-Hx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xj8Y4-0004qk-NH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400]:59608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xj8Y4-0004qf-Jp; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:19:04 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE8514C0; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C452DE545; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175922 Archived-At: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:31:58 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I consider contributions to security technology and policy[1] > > defense of freedom. > > Note that in the context of "secure"boot, digital restrictions > management, and other tivo-ized systems, that same technology is > clearly being used against freedom. There's nothing wrong with things like secure boot systems provided they're fully under the control of the user. Yes, the same technology has multiple uses, both pro and anti freedom, but that's true of all sorts of things, including computers in general. (I'll point out that given that the NSA "Ant Catalog" includes a bunch of BIOS-inserted malware and other load-time infection techniques. Secure booting is actually a priority for ordinary people. The trick is to make sure it isn't used as an instrument to prevent ordinary people from booting software of their choice, but rather is used as an instrument to assure that when they boot the software of their choice, they're actually getting that and not malware. Again, you can use most technologies multiple ways.) Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com