From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20141023230048.13f8234a@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20141022193441.GA11872@roeckx.be> <87zjcnj2k6.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87mw8mzmxj.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023143702.3897e618@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8761fazkx7.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023145721.12ed0820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87vbnay5lf.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <20141023154223.45f2c9eb@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874muuihjh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414119661 27535 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2014 03:01:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kurt@roeckx.be, Florian Weimer , rms@gnu.org, Rob Browning , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 24 05:00:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XhV7V-0001V2-SD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:00:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44630 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhV7V-0001ab-Hr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51735) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhV7S-0001aW-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhV7R-0007xD-FA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400]:43355) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhV7R-0007x8-Aj; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDDD400; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3022DFCDC; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:00:48 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <874muuihjh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 2001:470:30:84:e276:63ff:fe62:3400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175766 Archived-At: On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:48:34 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > Perry E. Metzger writes: > > > Free software has supported TLS 1.2 for a long time. What you're > > claiming is that you know of loads of people who have failed to > > upgrade their software -- but it is of course easy to upgrade if > > you run free software, because nothing prevents you from getting > > updated packages. > > Wrong. Many people these days are using free software in corporate > environments where they need to get the new versions vetted by > corporate security. I've been doing security in such environments for about the past 20 years. I'm plenty familiar with them. The sensitive users, like banks, upgrade quite quickly. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com