From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Perry E. Metzger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:02 -0400 Message-ID: <20141023143702.3897e618@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> References: <20141022193441.GA11872@roeckx.be> <87zjcnj2k6.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87mw8mzmxj.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414089450 14642 80.91.229.3 (23 Oct 2014 18:37:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 766397@bugs.debian.org, kurt@roeckx.be, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 766397-forwarded@bugs.debian.org, Rob Browning To: Florian Weimer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 23 20:37:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XhNGB-0004zR-6O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:37:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42946 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhNG7-0000cn-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55346) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhNG0-0000XH-KR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhNFw-0000Pp-8W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from hacklheber.piermont.com ([166.84.7.14]:41910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XhNFw-0000Pl-4J; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:04 -0400 Original-Received: from snark.cb.piermont.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hacklheber.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467FB1513; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from jabberwock.cb.piermont.com (jabberwock.cb.piermont.com [10.160.2.107]) by snark.cb.piermont.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163A02DFCBF; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:37:03 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87mw8mzmxj.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.10.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 166.84.7.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175748 Archived-At: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:00:08 +0200 Florian Weimer wrote: > * Richard Stallman: > > > I've read that falling back to ssl3 is a real security hole, > > being exploited frequently. That feature should be removed. > > GNUTLS automatically and securely upgrades to a TLS protocol if > supported by the server. Dropping SSL 3.0 support altogether will > only encourage unencrypted connections instead. I disagree. It will encourage people to upgrade from a flawed protocol to one that works. Many people running servers are utterly unaware that there's anything wrong with what they're using right now -- if you leave in support forever, they'll never figure it out. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com