From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jorgen Schaefer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp (was: Re: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r101338: ...) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:05:06 +0100 Message-ID: <20140219200506.1570f6f3@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> References: <87r47bi1e5.fsf@yandex.ru> <52F96284.50507@yandex.ru> <52FAE12B.6060101@yandex.ru> <52FC3BEE.60604@yandex.ru> <52FCD2B4.5080006@yandex.ru> <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <83txc1bl83.fsf@gnu.org> <5300189A.9090208@yandex.ru> <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> <20140216180712.236069f6@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83sirj9cyp.fsf@gnu.org> <20140217203145.71a849f7@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <837g8t8ouc.fsf@gnu.org> <20140219080524.25689b6b@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83k3cr58o2.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392836755 1243 80.91.229.3 (19 Feb 2014 19:05:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 19 20:06:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCT3-0005f6-9j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:06:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33178 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCT2-0003XP-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:06:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60563) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCSu-0003WJ-50 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCSo-0000sH-4v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:52 -0500 Original-Received: from loki.jorgenschaefer.de ([87.230.15.51]:35633) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGCSh-0000qt-RN; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:39 -0500 Original-Received: by loki.jorgenschaefer.de (Postfix, from userid 998) id 7FA47201399; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:05:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from forcix.jorgenschaefer.de (46-59-254-158.lsn.wtnet.de [46.59.254.158]) by loki.jorgenschaefer.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4B8E201397; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:05:07 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83k3cr58o2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; i486-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 87.230.15.51 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169776 Archived-At: On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:11:57 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > So I really have no idea what is this gripe all about My only gripe is about you continuously ignoring what I am saying and respond to something entirely different. You asked: Why is Elpy not in Emacs? I gave you a list of reasons. Among them, I mentioned, as a *minor* point, that *I* am currently not prepared to put in the commitment to follow all the requirements for a proper contribution to Emacs. I even said *explicitly* that I am *not complaining* about these requirements. Nevertheless, you managed to completely ignore what I said and respond as if I said something entirely different. And you managed to do this repeatedly. I say "there are plenty of things (packages) already in Emacs that have the same problem", and followed that statement with a list of examples. You manage to quote that first sentence and go "please point them out." You say "get these packages into Emacs and the problems will become less". I give CEDET as an example of a package that *is* in Emacs, which hasn't solved the problems at all. You manage to respond to this by asking me to "put my money where my mouth is". Not to mention that you managed to respond to a statement about "clang-based extensions", have a multi-email discussion about where you quoted this phrase, and in the end managed to drop the quote and go "oh, I didn't know they're clang-based". I have no idea how I can have a constructive discussion with someone who is so obviously intent on reading what they want to read instead of trying to read what the other party is saying, so I will now cease to try. Have a good day. Jorgen