From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:56:45 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20140105205645.GA12781@thyrsus.com> References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388955442 29588 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 20:57:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 21:57:29 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzulE-0003ac-GE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:57:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59394 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzulD-0007pe-Td for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:57:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59049) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzul7-0007pU-Gg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:57:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzul2-0006rp-Rz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:57:21 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:58188 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vzul2-0006rj-N1; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:57:16 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F411A38126C; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:56:45 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 71.162.243.5 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167399 Archived-At: Richard Stallman : > In regard to windows, buffers and frames, we could have a mode of > operation which ties each buffer to a one-window frame. That would > eliminate a lot of complexity. > > We could even offer that as the mode of use for beginners, if that > would make it easier for a new generation of hackers to become Emacs > users. I don't know whether it WOULD have that effect, but if it > would, I think it is a good idea. I'm somewhat doubtful this would be well-directed effort. In my experience, he complexity that beginners react badly to is not multi-window/multi-buffer, it's 1,001 spiky keystroke sequences. > Do beginners typically run Emacs under a graphical window system? Yes. It's actually pretty rare for even old-school types to run emacs in a hard or soft terminal these days; normally it is launched from a window system. -- Eric S. Raymond