From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jorgen Schaefer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:59:11 +0200 Message-ID: <20131022005911.63239c56@forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de> References: <8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org> <1730ebf3-db44-498c-b2a9-4d288d83a946@default> <87k3h6xuen.fsf@yandex.ru> <1878e4fa-50f2-4655-a4ff-30d1db708ee8@default> <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382396371 5776 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2013 22:59:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 22:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 22 00:59:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYORh-0001Ay-Pp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:59:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42170 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYORh-0007gr-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39779) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYORX-0007fo-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYORQ-0006zj-FF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:59:23 -0400 Original-Received: from istinn.electusmatari.com ([83.169.37.145]:51160) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYORQ-0006zV-8X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:59:16 -0400 Original-Received: by istinn.electusmatari.com (Postfix, from userid 995) id A2EADD100065; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:59:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from forcix.kollektiv-hamburg.de (x2f189bd.dyn.telefonica.de [2.241.137.189]) by istinn.electusmatari.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F02E2D10002C; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:59:12 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.21; i486-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 83.169.37.145 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164442 Archived-At: On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:03:10 -0700 chad wrote: > Either we're going to poll the users, or we aren't and instead are > going to rely on developer opinion. In both cases, positive statements > like "I find it convenient." are valuable. In neither case does it > seem valuable or worthwhile to disparage or discount the opinions > of other people simply because you disagree. Thank you for this very sensible point. To add my .2 cents: If the default binding of RET changes, please do make sure that there is a simple and easily accessible way of toggling this, to enable correct pasting of multi-line text in tty versions of Emacs. To me, this side effect is the one understandable reason for RET's current behavior (outside of "I'd have to rewire my muscle memory!"). But it's certainly not something we couldn't work around. We just shouldn't forget to. :-) Regards, -- Jorgen