From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
ulm@gentoo.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated]
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:22:16 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120122102215.GA3042@acm.acm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F1BC20F.2010001@cs.ucla.edu>
Morning, Paul.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:00:15AM -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
> On 01/21/2012 12:59 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> > Because fewer people are using tty environments (which is
> > basically what is meant here by "ASCII-only") ...
> No, by "ASCII-only" I meant displays that can display only ASCII.
> I use tty environments all the time, and they're never ASCII-only.
OK.
> > I have an ordinary Linux tty, currently running a Latin-1
> > character set.... I don't know how to do this, and finding out
> > is going to be a lot of work.
> It shouldn't be a lot of work. I don't normally use the Linux
> console, but I looked into this problem and on my Ubuntu desktop
> the fix is simple:
> export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8
> setupcon
> After executing these two shell commands, I can see directed
> quotes ‘like this’ with no problem, both within Emacs and when
> catting to the terminal. If it matters, I'm running Ubuntu 11.10
> x86 on a 5-year-old desktop.
> Does this approach work for you?
So far I've been at it about 1½ hours and got nowhere. I tried setting
LC_ALL (to en_UK.utf8), but haven't got `setupcon'. So I tried Gentoo's
way,
# /etc/init.d/consolefont restart
, no joy. Then I grepped through Gentoo's repository index for setupcon,
finding nothing. Then wikipedia - Nothing. Then Google - Hah! I found
a man page. This talks about /etc/default/console-setup, yet gives no
pointer to a description of that file.
At this point I get the familiar feeling of being on a wild goose chase,
which happens about every time I need to configure something new on Linux
(thankfully, GNU is much easier).
So a reversion to logic - whatever utility I use to set the font, that
font must exist in /usr/share/consolefonts. But the font I'm already
using, lat1-16.psfu.gz, allegedly "[has] a built-in Unicode mapping",
whatever that might be. Yet I don't get the curly quotes displayed in
Emacs (or anywhere else).
> "It shouldn't be a lot of work."
Maybe not, but there can be a large gap between "shouldn't be" and "won't
be".
Maybe you could give a run through of a hypothetical sequence of steps a
tty user would go through to find out how to set up his console for this.
Up to now it's taken nearly 2 hours now to get absolutely nowhere. Maybe
I'm unusually inept at this sort of thing, but I don't think so. I had a
head start by virtue of your help, for which thanks, but that misses the
point, that it will be very strenuous for a normal tty user to get set up
to see these curly quotes.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-22 10:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-18 15:12 TUTORIAL.de updated Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 9:09 ` Martin
2012-01-19 9:37 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-19 13:02 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 14:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-19 16:24 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 5:00 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-20 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-19 15:52 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-19 16:20 ` Werner LEMBERG
2012-01-19 16:41 ` quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] Glenn Morris
2012-01-19 17:22 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-19 23:08 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20 3:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-20 6:23 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 7:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-20 8:45 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-20 9:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-20 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21 8:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-21 10:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-21 11:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-21 11:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-21 12:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-22 3:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2012-01-22 3:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2012-01-22 6:30 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-22 8:00 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 10:22 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2012-01-22 13:06 ` James Cloos
2012-01-21 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-22 6:30 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-22 8:18 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 9:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-22 10:24 ` Teemu Likonen
2012-01-22 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-22 10:54 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 11:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-01-22 20:35 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-22 15:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-22 16:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-23 7:04 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-20 12:13 ` quotation marks Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-20 12:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-20 15:51 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-20 18:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-20 12:01 ` quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated] James Cloos
2012-01-22 15:03 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-20 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-20 22:34 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21 1:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-21 1:26 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-21 6:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-21 8:37 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-21 18:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-21 19:58 ` Tom Tromey
2012-01-21 17:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-21 17:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-19 18:14 ` TUTORIAL.de updated Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-19 18:50 ` quotation marks (was: Re: TUTORIAL.de updated) Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-19 21:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
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