From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should undefined behavior be encouraged in Emacs? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:38:14 +0000 Message-ID: <20111007083814.GA2830@acm.acm> References: <4E89124D.8070405@cs.ucla.edu> <4E895885.5060201@online.de> <87ehyu1qk7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4E89794F.8040706@online.de> <87zkheg8xc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874nzlsxwf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <4E8E0AB4.1050900@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317976970 28998 80.91.229.12 (7 Oct 2011 08:42:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:42:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 10:42:46 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC60z-0008Hv-Pi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:42:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38385 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC60z-0008MN-B8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:42:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38185) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC60w-0008M4-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:42:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC60v-0002JL-9K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:42:42 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:53776 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC60u-0002J5-V5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 04:42:41 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 16286 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Oct 2011 08:42:38 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951B9DD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.185.221]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:42:37 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 2932 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Oct 2011 08:38:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144679 Archived-At: On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 10:12:53PM +0200, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Andreas Röhler writes: > > for me transient-mark-mode in connection with a mark set is enough. > Oh, are we having this discussion again? > I, like (I'm assuming) all other oldey-timey Emacs users :-), disabled > `transient-mark-mode' the first chance I got. And the reason for that > is that `C-x C-x' activates the region, which makes it impossible to use > that command to jump around in buffers. Which I do constantly. Yep, me too. I disabled it in my .emacs in Emacs-22, disabling the monstrosity before it happended. Trouble is, I still have to do testing in emacs -Q. :-( I detest the way it splurges blue ink over carefully crafted font locking. I hate the introduction of modal behaviour into Emacs as default; it makes Emacs a bit like vi. Oh, and the dishonest naming - there is nothing left of `transient-mark-mode' because the mark is not transient any longer, given that `mark-active-even-when-inactive' (???) is set by default. > If that rather odd overloading of the `C-x C-x' command went away, I > might start using `transient-mark-mode'. Thank [insert your god's name here] options can be set in Emacs. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).