From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug statistics Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:07 +0200 Message-ID: <201006251307.09030.tassilo@member.fsf.org> References: <1focf1eb1p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <201006241959.12567.tassilo@member.fsf.org> <83hbkre7fj.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277495156 5008 80.91.229.12 (25 Jun 2010 19:45:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 25 21:45:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSEqY-0006D5-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:45:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37827 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OSEqX-0004y4-TB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:45:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57730 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OSD4C-0006im-JH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:51:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OS6kd-000207-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.64.15]:16063) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OS6kc-0001zU-9T; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:07:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E78C78A49FF; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from deliver.uni-koblenz.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (deliver.uni-koblenz.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01241-04; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:09 +0200 (CEST) X-CHKRCPT: Envelopesender noch tassilo@member.fsf.org Original-Received: from thinkpad.localnet (tsdh.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.67.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deliver.uni-koblenz.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3C678A49EF; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:07:09 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: KMail/1.13.3 (Linux/2.6.34-gentoo-r1; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <83hbkre7fj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Face: `TY6r/ws=N5uqO1E`M=Sups<}n%T[E^o_?MJj< =?utf-8?q?O4j=265ljV6lU=7DcXU7oftH=26/x=5F=7EK=7B=26zv9=7D=0A=09sB=7D5/Ea=5B?= =?utf-8?q?hU=7BCS=23=3F=3F0=3F=3Fn?=@sX+ft]?{(l?, mp"a`u List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126394 Archived-At: On Friday 25 June 2010 12:24:32 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > With web-based bugtrackers, after entering the bug summary the whole > > database is searched for similar reports and that list is presended > > to the user. Then she can decide if it's really a new, unknown bug. > > If not, she can simply append additional information to an existing > > bug. > > This is also far from ideal. Unless you have a lot of time on your > hands, going through the bugs and trying to figure out if they are the > same as yours is a nuisance. At least my experience with the bugtrackes of the Gentoo GNU/Linux and KDE projects are quite good. After entering a bug summary, I get a short list of possibly related bugs. Quite often, the bug I wanted to report is already known and in that list. And it's no burden to the user. If I didn't have time, I could skip checking the suggested relevant bugs and file my bug as new bug, thus putting the burden on the developers. I don't say that users should be forced to search the bug database before writing a report, but there should be an easy way to let willing users do so. Currently, the emacs bug reporting interface doesn't even mention that there is something like that! IMO, there are many users who care about writing good reports and don't want to produce duplicates. When there are more than one bug in "relevant bugs list" dealing with the same issue, then I often spend some minutes to link them with each other. This volunteering in managing bug reports should be encouraged and made easy for all users. Especially this "making easy" is not the strong point of debbugs. :-( Bye, Tassilo