From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: What have the Romans done for us? (Bazaar) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:56:37 +0000 Message-ID: <20100405145637.GA3248@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270479398 4991 80.91.229.12 (5 Apr 2010 14:56:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:56:38 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 05 16:56:37 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NynjA-0001Oh-Sw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:56:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44889 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NynjA-0001Xo-5a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:56:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nynhc-000196-TZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:55:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53863 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nynhb-00018S-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:55:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NynhZ-0006j0-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:54:58 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:4983 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NynhZ-0006im-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 65961 invoked by uid 3782); 5 Apr 2010 14:48:12 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E22AF1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.42.241]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:48:11 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 4016 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Apr 2010 14:56:38 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123196 Archived-At: Hi, Emacs, Would somebody please remind me of all the advantages Bazaar has over CVS, all the wonderful things it enables one to do. Right at the moment, it just seems like a slow, slow, slow and buggy replacement for CVS, which consumes several hundred megabytes of my disk space more than CVS did. There doesn't seem to be a bzr equivalent of http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcv; bzr log is so slow (40 seconds) as to be only somewhat useful. Even updating one's repository takes many minutes, something which took only a few seconds with CVS. Worst of all is the lack of a proper fine manual; what there is is available only in html or "bzr help", neither of which is properly searchable; what there is is also bloated and vague and generally of low quality. At Stefan's suggestion, I tried $ bzr diff -r tag:EMACS_23_1 lisp/progmodes/cc-*.el . This crashes bzr. I've just updated to the latest version of bzr (2.1.0), and it still crashes. So keen are bzr's developers to get decent bug reports that they make you register (on "launchpad") before they'll deign to permit you to submit one. They insist on you submitting this bug report via a script running in a web-browser. That script fails on my machine, so I'm stuffed. Anybody know a mail address to get in touch with the bazaar team? So, yes, bzr is wonderful, because it's a DISTRIBUTED VCS, and distributed VCSs are Good Things. Would somebody please remind me why? Thanks! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).