From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.bidi Subject: Re: [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:52:42 +0100 Message-ID: <20100206065242.GD5882@tomas> References: <83tyu3iu6b.fsf@gnu.org> <201002011400.o11E0jMQ007420@beta.mvs.co.il> <83vdeghfqg.fsf@gnu.org> <201002012205.o11M5Sci011809@beta.mvs.co.il> <83k4uvh09o.fsf@gnu.org> <201002031310.o13DAqXd019253@beta.mvs.co.il> <83eil2gn7i.fsf@gnu.org> <201002041402.o14E2wQ0024776@beta.mvs.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265439254 24935 80.91.229.12 (6 Feb 2010 06:54:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 06:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ehud Karni Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 06 07:54:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NdeXj-000150-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:54:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39140 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdeXa-000412-La for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:53:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NdeXS-00040K-Rb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:53:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60679 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdeXR-0003ze-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:53:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdeXQ-0005kK-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:53:05 -0500 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104]:44284 helo=www.elogos.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdeXK-0005iq-CT; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:52:58 -0500 Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 082A39004A; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:52:43 +0100 (CET) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201002041402.o14E2wQ0024776@beta.mvs.co.il> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120975 gmane.emacs.bidi:540 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 04:02:58PM +0200, Ehud Karni wrote: [...] > OK, I want it to work like fill-paragraph, but I don't want to REALLY > do fill-paragraph, because I don't want to modify the file AT ALL.=20 [Eli Zaretskii] > > +----------------------------------------+ > > |some latin text followed by HTIW HCAORP\| > > |PA SILE FO TLUSER LARUTANNU EHT DNA SNO\| > > |ITPO GNILLORCS TNEREFFID EHT FO GNITART\| > > |SNOMED ROF TXET GNOL 2YREV 1YREV WERBEH\| > > | small latin tail | > > +----------------------------------------+ > > > > And yes, the R2L text reads bottom to top. But rewriting the central > > piece of the display engine to make this use-case look better is > > beyond my resources [...] [Ehud Karni] > >From experience (with my visual Hebrew package) this is very annoying. > Think of 3 very long (150, 270 and 150 characters) viewed on 80 > characters wide screen, It is very confusing to find the start of > each line and to read upward 1 or 2 lines and go down again. Again, at first blush you are right, Ehud. It would be annoying. On the other hand, wrapping a long line is just a display glitch, and the display proposed by Eli is just more consistent. I think what you want is visual-line-mode, and yes, this one would have to tackle this job in the presence of R2L (i don't dare to think too closely about *that*, my head starts to spin agein :) Regards - -- tom=C3=A1s -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLbRG6Bcgs9XrR2kYRAiSkAJ9xrPbfHCdcPAKZPBQ7Vjx49ty/YwCfWk8F MSTiQR/TuL6glq0+uOiCeFY=3D =3Dhlkf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----