From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.bidi Subject: Re: [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20100206064147.GC5882@tomas> References: <83vdeghfqg.fsf@gnu.org> <201002012205.o11M5Sci011809@beta.mvs.co.il> <83k4uvh09o.fsf@gnu.org> <201002031310.o13DAqXd019253@beta.mvs.co.il> <83eil2gn7i.fsf@gnu.org> <87y6j9kn8y.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20100204204623.GA21755@tomas> <83y6j8fxns.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265438540 23636 80.91.229.12 (6 Feb 2010 06:42:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 06:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 06 07:42:17 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NdeMu-0004iS-LB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:42:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52623 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdeMt-0008I5-F4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:42:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NdeMk-0008I0-Hb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:42:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34717 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NdeMi-0008Hs-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:42:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdeMi-0003fs-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:42:00 -0500 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104]:45716 helo=www.elogos.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NdeMg-0003fL-Lf; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:41:58 -0500 Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFCF69004A; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 07:41:47 +0100 (CET) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83y6j8fxns.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120974 gmane.emacs.bidi:539 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 12:23:19AM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: [...] > > > Please note also that the keybindings C-x < and C-x > use mnemonics > > > based on graphical direction. > >=20 > > ...which might be reversed under R2L affine keyboard layouts >=20 > That's system-dependent, AFAIU. And having an R2L buffer current does > not mean your keyboard is set to an R2L language, anyway. Thanks for the insight :-) My point was rather that one shouldn't take "mnemonicity" of keys for granted. And then, what would the symbols "<" and ">" mean to a Hebrew or Arabic writer anyway? (Off on a tangent: this is another big difficulty internationalization of Emacs will face: keybindings which make sense to an English speaking american sitting in front of an US-Keyboard do sometimes make very little sense on other keyboards (or worse: they are downright painful to type)). Regards - -- tom=C3=A1s -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLbQ8rBcgs9XrR2kYRAsA5AJ9JavD6S7WF73AWBzRzvcakawBpRACggdxC wlhl28h8v9Cg3L9w5QJD0kc=3D =3DzLcU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----